Evidence for God?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
In a loose sense yes.
What worked survived.
What didn't work didn't survive.
But I do not believe in Intelligent Design as you well know.

However anyone who does believe in Intelligent Design would surely think that we were designed for an existing universe rather than vice versa. Yes?

Man is the Primary Creation (preceded only by the Angelic Creation in Eternity Past); Planet Earth was created long before it became readied for Human Habitation. This is accounted for and understood in the Gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

wolfgang, the 10 hour outage begins in about 45 minutes. Let's continue tomorrow afternoon or evening. I'm GMT-5.
Thanks for today. Bob

Originally posted by KellyJay
Fair has nothing to do with it.
Kelly

How come fairness has nothing to do with it?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Man is the Primary Creation (preceded only by the Angelic Creation in Eternity Past); Planet Earth was created long before it became readied for Human Habitation. This is accounted for and understood in the Gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

wolfgang, the 10 hour outage begins in about 45 minutes. Let's continue tomorrow afternoon or evening. I'm GMT-5.
Thanks for today. Bob

There is no gap understood between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. Genesis 1:1-4 all happened in one day. I think the following rules out any gap:

Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

(Genesis 2:1-3 NKJV)

This would have been more clear if whoever divided the chapters had not started chapter 2 until verse 4.

The Instructor

Originally posted by Proper Knob
How come fairness has nothing to do with it?

Kids are born addicted to crack and other drugs all the time, is that fair?
People get robbed, raped, murdered, lied about, and so on is that fair?
Life isn't fair, it is what it is.
Justice and righteousness will be taken care of at the end of the day when
all is said and done. We get no better than that.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Kids are born addicted to crack and other drugs all the time, is that fair?
People get robbed, raped, murdered, lied about, and so on is that fair?
Life isn't fair, it is what it is.
Justice and righteousness will be taken care of at the end of the day when
all is said and done. We get no better than that.
Kelly

what a dark outlook you have on life mr jay. life is unfair, but dont you think that the majority of us strive to make life fairer? we dont just accept that life is unfair and do nothing about it. those of us that think like this and are also atheist look at your god and wonder why he isnt also trying to make life fairer.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
what a dark outlook you have on life mr jay. life is unfair, but dont you think that the majority of us strive to make life fairer? we dont just accept that life is unfair and do nothing about it. those of us that think like this and are also atheist look at your god and wonder why he isnt also trying to make life fairer.

Dark outlook, about what? You did read the full discussion?
This life is short term, it is limited while what is coming is lasting and will
endure forever. We are our one of our own worse enemies now, and we
should not be, but we are.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Kids are born addicted to crack and other drugs all the time, is that fair?
People get robbed, raped, murdered, lied about, and so on is that fair?
Life isn't fair, it is what it is.
Justice and righteousness will be taken care of at the end of the day when
all is said and done. We get no better than that.
Kelly

Life isn't fair, but we're not talking about life in general. We're specifically talking about the Christian God and his instructions for people to save themselves from eternal damnation. Is God being fair?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Life isn't fair, but we're not talking about life in general. We're specifically talking about the Christian God and his instructions for people to save themselves from eternal damnation. Is God being fair?

Christ has been given all authority to judge. We have no authority to judge God. His ways are higher than our ways.


There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death.

(Proverbs 16:25 NKJV)

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
Christ has been given all authority to judge. We have no authority to judge God. His ways are higher than our ways.


[b]There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death.

(Proverbs 16:25 NKJV)

The Instructor[/b]

Which is just that much BULLSHYTE. Your god was made by intelligent design. HUMAN intelligent design, to control men and subjugate women. Simple as that. The biggest ponzi scheme ever perpetrated on mankind, at least until Islam came around, peaceful religion as ever was one. Almost as peaceful as Christianity.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Life isn't fair, but we're not talking about life in general. We're specifically talking about the Christian God and his instructions for people to save themselves from eternal damnation. Is God being fair?

Life in general, what is that but life as it is? Life as it is, is what it is for all
of us. God has made a way for all us, but not all of us will be, only a small
few will be. Some will never hear about Christ yes, others will hear and
still reject Him.

I'd also tell you none of us are saving ourselves, we are saved by God not
through any works we do. With respect to how will God judge those that
never got to hear about Christ I do not know, but what I do know is that
those of us who know about God's grace and reject it have no excuse. I'd
also tell you that is it written that even those who are saved are only just
saved, and if that is true where will those who miss God grace end up?
Kelly

Originally posted by sonhouse
Which is just that much BULLSHYTE. Your god was made by intelligent design. HUMAN intelligent design, to control men and subjugate women. Simple as that. The biggest ponzi scheme ever perpetrated on mankind, at least until Islam came around, peaceful religion as ever was one. Almost as peaceful as Christianity.

You still did not answer my question:

If it is all HUMAN intelligent design, how did a human design his own DNA and put that program in there?

The Instructor

Originally posted by KellyJay
Life in general, what is that but life as it is? Life as it is, is what it is for all
of us. God has made a way for all us, but not all of us will be, only a small
few will be. Some will never hear about Christ yes, others will hear and
still reject Him.

I\'d also tell you none of us are saving ourselves, we are saved by God not
through any works we d ...[text shortened]... ved are only just
saved, and if that is true where will those who miss God grace end up?
Kelly

This is what I was after, a definitive statement -

'With respect to how will God judge those that never got to hear about Christ I do not know'

It's all I wanted to know.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
This is what I was after, a definitive statement -

'With respect to how will God judge those that never got to hear about Christ I do not know'

It's all I wanted to know.

10/10 for perseverance!
🙂

Originally posted by Proper Knob
This is what I was after, a definitive statement -

'With respect to how will God judge those that never got to hear about Christ I do not know'

It's all I wanted to know.

Not knowing is true, but I hold little to no hope out for them I'm sorry to
say.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Not knowing is true, but I hold little to no hope out for them I'm sorry to
say.
Kelly

how can you call him a just god when he offers these people who have never come across christianity 'little to no hope'. its not their fault, its his for not sending word to them. it sounds to me like you consider christians to be better than everybody else. that your existence is more meaningful.