Spirituality
13 Aug 13
17 Aug 13
Originally posted by KellyJayNot asking you about what I believe. I'm asking if you can accept any evidence for God?
Not asking you about what I believe.
I'm asking if you can accept any evidence for God?
What I believe rests just with me.
I'm sure "God" could mean something else to one over the another, for
example some used to worship the sun, others pieces of wood, you can
see the sun and handle the wood.
The sun and wood would be what I suppose gods, which are different than
God.
Kelly
And I was just saying that depends on which/what kind of “god” someone (you or anyone else) means.
17 Aug 13
Originally posted by vistesdI wasn't really asking about any specific God, I left it generic on purpose.
[b]Not asking you about what I believe. I'm asking if you can accept any evidence for God?
And I was just saying that depends on which/what kind of “god” someone (you or anyone else) means.[/b]
As I left the evidence question open ended as well, I really wasn't looking
for people to debate what they thought about each other's evidence, for
that can be a very personal thing, what one may see another could reject
and that does not stop the person who sees it as evidence as having some
thing real for them right in front of them while another disagrees.
Kelly
17 Aug 13
Originally posted by KellyJayBeehive. Ant colony.
Do you believe there is any evidence for God?
I'm not asking for evidence, I just want to know if anything is acceptable
to you!
Kelly
They behave in a way beyond any ant or bee can behave. I wonder if there may be tribal minds just as science admits that hive and colony minds may exist.
18 Aug 13
Originally posted by empovsunThis just shows that you have been deceived. All you have to do is to honestly use your intelligence to see through the deception. Then you will have reason to believe in God.
absolutely not. there wouldn't be any reason for such a thing to exist. you must have faith - that is the whole point.
The Instructor
18 Aug 13
Originally posted by lemon limeWhat stands in the way of a hardened atheist believing in God is that he does not want to believe, and therefore he will use his intelligence in a dishonest way in order to make up excuses for not believing, no matter how ridiculous the excuse.
kalam cosmological argument
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COJ0ED1mV7s
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18 Aug 13
Originally posted by RJHinds"What causes the hardened christian to believe in God is that he wants to believe, and therefore he will use his intelligence in a dishonest way in order to make up excuses for believing, no matter how ridiculous the excuse."
What stands in the way of a hardened atheist believing in God is that he does not want to believe, and therefore he will use his intelligence in a dishonest way in order to make up excuses for not believing, no matter how ridiculous the excuse.
The Instructor
fixed.
Originally posted by stellspalfieWhat is the evidence? Who is being honest?
[b]"What causes the hardened christian to believe in God is that he wants to believe, and therefore he will use his intelligence in a dishonest way in order to make up excuses for believing, no matter how ridiculous the excuse."
fixed.[/b]
The Instructor
24 Aug 13
Originally posted by empovsunYou don't think accepting anything or even rejecting anything is a matter
absolutely not. there wouldn't be any reason for such a thing to exist. you must have faith - that is the whole point.
of faith too? You have to believe something means what you think it does
for it to either be meaningful one way or another.
Kelly
26 Aug 13
Originally posted by RJHindsNo, the atheist does not want to believe in OR reject the concept of a god.
What stands in the way of a hardened atheist believing in God is that he does not want to believe, and therefore he will use his intelligence in a dishonest way in order to make up excuses for not believing, no matter how ridiculous the excuse.
The Instructor
The atheist goes with the best available evidence which for now is zero evidence in favor of some kind of god.
That is not to say the atheist rules out the possibility of a god, just the probability seems extremely low there is one.
One think I can with extreme confidence:
There is no such thing as the 'bible god'. That is hockum made up by men thousands of years ago to control other men. Pure and simple.
For instance, if a god designed us, surely that god would know there are limits to reproduction and right now we are on the verge of population collapse because of over population, using up about half the planets resources already. So that means maximum we can have only about 15 billion people on the planet and any kind of stress on our civilization would result in billions of people starving and dying from rampant diseases like in the dark ages.
Given all that, why would your god design us to reproduce like rabbits?
Why wouldn't it have made us with a defense against over population?
Since you think we are created, why would that be?
26 Aug 13
Originally posted by sonhouseSo you are predisposed to reject anything in favor of some natural way
No, the atheist does not want to believe in OR reject the concept of a god.
The atheist goes with the best available evidence which for now is zero evidence in favor of some kind of god.
That is not to say the atheist rules out the possibility of a god, just the probability seems extremely low there is one.
One think I can with extreme confidence ...[text shortened]... with a defense against over population?
Since you think we are created, why would that be?
to explain things outside of God or gods being responsible?
Kelly
26 Aug 13
Originally posted by sonhouseThe probability is even lower that the heavens, the earth, the waters, and life forms on the Earth came into existence any way other than by an intelligent designer and creator that we Christans call God or Christ, who claims to have done it.
No, the atheist does not want to believe in OR reject the concept of a god.
The atheist goes with the best available evidence which for now is zero evidence in favor of some kind of god.
That is not to say the atheist rules out the possibility of a god, just the probability seems extremely low there is one.
One think I can with extreme confidence ...[text shortened]... with a defense against over population?
Since you think we are created, why would that be?
The Instructor
27 Aug 13
Originally posted by RJHindsAh, so you are admitting there is a probability that the universe, the Earth and life here could have come from natural forces not needing a deity. Good to know that.
The probability is even lower that the heavens, the earth, the waters, and life forms on the Earth came into existence any way other than by an intelligent designer and creator that we Christans call God or Christ, who claims to have done it.
The Instructor
27 Aug 13
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Originally posted by KellyJayDon't you think it would be a stupid irresponsible god to have designed humans in such a way as to reproduce like rabbits now approaching 8 billion? And another doubling would tax the resources of the entire planet? Your alleged infinite power god would have seen the results of its creation from day one to today and couldn't help noticing how we are screwing up the ENTIRE planet.
So you are predisposed to reject anything in favor of some natural way
to explain things outside of God or gods being responsible?
Kelly
Pretty dumb design. Explain how an infinitely powerful omniscient god would have allowed that to happen.
And for this god to have been like totally involved with a few tribes in the desert 3000 years ago but a no show ever since?