19 Jun 05
Originally posted by aardvarkhomeYeah, well there's a substantial fraction of us clawing at anything to slow the tide. What can you do when a lot of people think like dj2. They have no curiosity for truth. No humble respect for empirics. Their religious indoctrination has produced in them an arrogant apathy to knowledge of the world around us. It's really a crime what his parents did to him. I've been there. So have many others here. Unfortunately, few of us come out of that deep slumber, and while for me it was a wonderful transformation, there is a bit of regret that I wasted so many of education-forming years, closed off to the wonders of nature.
The thing that frightens me most about creationism is that it is among a set of irrational beliefs that appear to be becoming embedded into the American psyche and into the political establishment. Is the most powerful nation on earth really going to regress interllectually back into the Mediaeval? It beggers belief
19 Jun 05
Originally posted by 667joeIf it is, in fact, a theory, then that means it has NOT been proven.
Evolution is a theory proven by scientific experiments and observations. ... 667joe🙄
If it's proven, wouldn't it be the case that it is no longer a theory? Don't you mean "Evolution is a LAW...etc etc"
just asking...
19 Jun 05
Originally posted by TheBloopEven Laws haven't been proven. For example, Newton's Laws of Motion are incorrect at high velocities and in very small systems; and technically incorrect at all times, though the error is so small as to be undetectable under most conditions humans encounter.
If it is, in fact, a theory, then that means it has NOT been proven.
If it's proven, wouldn't it be the case that it is no longer a theory? Don't you mean "Evolution is a LAW...etc etc"
just asking...
Actually, nothing can be absolutely proven.
19 Jun 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungSome things just take a little longer to see, as in billions of years. 🙂
Even Laws haven't been proven. For example, Newton's Laws of Motion are incorrect at high velocities and in very small systems; and technically incorrect at all times, though the error is so small as to be undetectable under most conditions humans encounter.
Actually, nothing can be absolutely proven.
Kelly
19 Jun 05
Originally posted by telerionworse than the thumpers are the creationists like Morris and Bergman that are intelligent enough to get advanced degrees but have absolutely no objectivity. Their "science" starts with god being a Law ,their underlying "science" is from the bible.
Yeah, well there's a substantial fraction of us clawing at anything to slow the tide. What can you do when a lot of people think like dj2. They have no curiosity for truth. No humble respect for empirics. Their religious indoctrination has produced in them an arrogant apathy to knowledge of the world around us. It's really a crime what his parents did ...[text shortened]... of regret that I wasted so many of education-forming years, closed off to the wonders of nature.
19 Jun 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungYou clearly don't know the definition of theory as used in science. A theory is an idea supported by all known observations and experiments subject to change if new observations and experiments provide contrary information. So far, no verifiable experiments have contradicted the theory of evolution.
Even Laws haven't been proven. For example, Newton's Laws of Motion are incorrect at high velocities and in very small systems; and technically incorrect at all times, though the error is so small as to be undetectable under most conditions humans encounter.
Actually, nothing can be absolutely proven.
20 Jun 05
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Originally posted by 667joeall he meant was Law in just another name for Theory. I like to think a bit differently using Law to mean a Theory that experimenter can use in their conclusions as reasons to call the hypothesis a theory.
You clearly don't know the definition of theory as used in science. A theory is an idea supported by all known observations and experiments subject to change if new observations and experiments provide contrary information. So far, no verifiable experiments have contradicted the theory of evolution.
like in does a God-Field hypothesis reconcile with Maxwell's Equation.
20 Jun 05
Originally posted by frogstompTrue. Their mistakes are intentional. They simply got degrees for the credentials. In my book they are about as close as it comes in the Creationist movement to true liars.
worse than the thumpers are the creationists like Morris and Bergman that are intelligent enough to get advanced degrees but have absolutely no objectivity. Their "science" starts with god being a Law ,their underlying "science" is from the bible.
20 Jun 05
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Originally posted by telerionyou have to read Bergman's "expose' " about Watchtower .... I read his other works and dont think he ever left it.
True. Their mistakes are intentional. They simply got degrees for the credentials. In my book they are about as close as it comes in the Creationist movement to true liars.
