29 Jun 07
Originally posted by stepnkevSo what the story is actually trying to tell us is "don't ever ask for the lords help because whenever he carries you that causes the worst trial and suffering of your life."
"My son, my precious child,
I love you and I would never leave you.
During your times of trial and suffering,
when you see only one set of footprints,
it was then that I carried you."
29 Jun 07
Originally posted by Jay JoosI am not bitter. I just think that Christians love to tell themselves comforting stories but never actually think about what they mean.
Why so bitter?
I have seen that story before and the first time I saw it I thought 'how nice' but then after a while I thought about it and realized that it didn't actually make much sense at all. Yet a number of people I know have it framed and stuck on their walls.
The basic problem is:
Christian claim: God helps you through the hard times.
My response:
1. who created the hard times?
2. why can't God stop the hard times altogether?
3. if God is helping you why do they still seem so hard?
29 Jun 07
Originally posted by twhiteheadIn my view....
I am not bitter. I just think that Christians love to tell themselves comforting stories but never actually think about what they mean.
I have seen that story before and the first time I saw it I thought 'how nice' but then after a while I thought about it and realized that it didn't actually make much sense at all. Yet a number of people I know have it ...[text shortened]... od stop the hard times altogether?
3. if God is helping you why do they still seem so hard?
1. The fallen Angel...Satan
2.we chose free will
3.we dont look for Gods help and when he helps us it comes as a surprise.
I think its very encouraging not just for Christians.... take comfort in it!
29 Jun 07
Originally posted by Jay JoosIts only encouraging to you because, as I said, you haven't really thought about it.
I think its very encouraging not just for Christians.... take comfort in it!
And why would non-Christians find it encouraging?
And when exactly did I choose free will? Doesn't that totally contradict your other thread where you claim that not choosing is choosing too. So:
1. Choosing free will requires you to already have free will to make the choice.
2. Even if you didn't choose free will, choosing not to have free will is a choice too which requires free will to make.
29 Jun 07
Originally posted by twhiteheadI agree....
Its only encouraging to you because, as I said, you haven't really thought about it.
And why would non-Christians find it encouraging?
And when exactly did I choose free will? Doesn't that totally contradict your other thread where you claim that not choosing is choosing too. So:
1. Choosing free will requires you to already have free will to make th ...[text shortened]... e free will, choosing not to have free will is a choice too which requires free will to make.
Non Christians would(i hope) just find it a nice story....nothing more
30 Jun 07
Originally posted by twhiteheadNo what that says is that we are not alone, no matter what we are
So what the story is actually trying to tell us is "don't ever ask for the lords help because whenever he carries you that causes the worst trial and suffering of your life."
facing death included.
Kelly
01 Jul 07
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Originally posted by NemesioWhat god are you talking about? Not the God of the Bible, He has
Satan is only capable of doing that which God lets him do.
So God must have wanted these hard times to exist, because God always gets what God wants.
Nemesio
allowed Himself to be disappointed and pleased by what we do and
don't do.
Kelly
01 Jul 07
Originally posted by scottishinnzAgain, this is a little old, your words not mine. You can describe your
Yes, your omnipotent, omniscient God. Nothing happens but at his behest.
god or view of god any way you want, I just ask you to not do that
with the God I believe in, you do not have a clue.
Kelly