05 Mar 19
@philokalia saidSo you haven't read any of my posts this last year? I just spent 30 mins typing an answer to a question and you breazed past it dismissing it as a copy paste. How much effort should I make this time? Here: I'm an agnostic atheist. Look it up yourself.
So what do you believe, then? You're an agnostic?
05 Mar 19
@fmf saidNormally, it would be an insult to refer to religious belief as superstition.
I am not using it negatively or pejoratively.
In fact, everyone knows that.
But, you have a specialized and academic use of the word superstition. You are actually just using it in a way that... isn't negative. Right?
Do you think that Sonship was perhaps, then, just drawing an analogy, and he wasn't actually trying to call someone specifically a drunken leper..?
Could I refer to anyone who doesn't know Christ as an "ignoramus" in a way that was not a pejorative, as well, and you would accept being called an "ignoramus" in spite of the fact that it normally has a negative context?
05 Mar 19
@philokalia saidI am not using the words "superstitious" and "superstition" negatively or pejoratively. The definition of "superstition" I am using is 'belief in supernatural causality'.
Normally, it would be an insult to refer to religious belief as superstition.
In fact, everyone knows that.
But, you have a specialized and academic use of the word superstition. You are actually just using it in a way that... isn't negative. Right?
Do you think that Sonship was perhaps, then, just drawing an analogy, and he wasn't actually trying ...[text shortened]... uld accept being called an "ignoramus" in spite of the fact that it normally has a negative context?
05 Mar 19
@philokalia saidI think he was lashing out at Ghost of a Duke and, even in the midst of the red mist of his anger, he was trying to sound vaguely biblical.
Do you think that Sonship was perhaps, then, just drawing an analogy, and he wasn't actually trying to call someone specifically a drunken leper..?
06 Mar 19
@fmf saidAlright, I think the word you should use is "belief in God" or "belief in supernatural causality," or you could just say "theism" in some of these instances.
I am not using the words "superstitious" and "superstition" negatively or pejoratively. The definition of "superstition" I am using is 'belief in supernatural causality'.
referring to it as a supserstition because the general definition of it looks something like this:
superstition ►
n. An irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences its outcome.
n. A belief, practice, or rite irrationally maintained by ignorance of the laws of nature or by faith in magic or chance.
n. A fearful or abject state of mind resulting from such ignorance or irrationality.
You are not using English correctly...
If you approached this with a sort of academic rigor and were trying to merely specialize the usage of this word to a thing, like the way that one might say "by nihilism I do not mean a belief in nothing, but moreso a belief in some pragmatic utilitarianism and no greater truth," it'd be one thing...
But you are just using it as an insult.
And claiming you are not insulting anyone.
06 Mar 19
@philokalia saidI am fine with how I use the words. No insult is intended. And now you know.
Alright, I think the word you should use is "belief in God" or "belief in supernatural causality," or you could just say "theism" in some of these instances.
referring to it as a supserstition because the general definition of it looks something like this:
[quote]superstition ►
n. An irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to ...[text shortened]... ne thing...
But you are just using it as an insult.
And claiming you are not insulting anyone.
06 Mar 19
@fmf saidWhy should I believe that you have pure intentions when you have chosen to use a loaded word..?
I am fine with how I use the words. No insult is intended. And now you know.
Just by your word?
You have implied I'm not clever enough to understand what you write before, and you are inclined to these long, trolling series of microposts... Why should I think you actually have good intentions when you use the word?
Why should I accept it as the new normal?
06 Mar 19
@philokalia saidI am fine with the vocabulary I use. You are wasting your breath.
Why should I believe that you have pure intentions when you have chosen to use a loaded word..?
Just by your word?
You have implied I'm not clever enough to understand what you write before, and you are inclined to these long, trolling series of microposts... Why should I think you actually have good intentions when you use the word?
Why should I accept it as the new normal?
This all feels like a deflection.
I got a whiff of it when you just blanked out a longer text I sent.
We were talking about "free will" in the context of "superstition" and now you are rabbitting away on some tangential self-pitying riff about vocabulary.
If you're done trying to promote or defend or rationalize your religion and dismissing my personal testimony and perspective as ignorant, uneducated, unaware, uninformed, very shallow, sadly narrow blah blah blah - as is your prerogative, then just say you've said all you can think of to say, and we can be done with it.
06 Mar 19
Oh no, I take issue with how you were using that word. I think it is a pejorative and I do not just freely accept your explanation.
I think you have shown a pattern for contempt by routinely trolling theists here -- though with a few exceptions -- and you aren't using this word in a charitable or qualified way.
I am also unaware of some part of your argument that I haven't adequately addressed?
What is it I have missed?
You keep saying that you apparently have no choice,and then you subsequently admit that it isn't irrational to believe in God, but you still act like your rationality has trapped you into being a non-theist.
I haven't seen how you have untangled that so I thought you were just giving us some anecdotes or something..?
06 Mar 19
@philokalia saidTake it to the website admin. Or thumb it down every time.
Oh no, I take issue with how you were using that word. I think it is a pejorative and I do not just freely accept your explanation.
06 Mar 19
@philokalia saidI am not interested in your browbeating.
I think you have shown a pattern for contempt by routinely trolling theists here -- though with a few exceptions -- and you aren't using this word in a charitable or qualified way.
06 Mar 19
@philokalia saidOK, thanks then. Thanks for trying.
I am also unaware of some part of your argument that I haven't adequately addressed?
What is it I have missed?
You keep saying that you apparently have no choice,and then you subsequently admit that it isn't irrational to believe in God, but you still act like your rationality has trapped you into being a non-theist.
I haven't seen how you have untangled that so I thought you were just giving us some anecdotes or something..?