16 Mar 22
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@rajk999 saidI was replying to KJ, not you. You realised that ... right ?
I was replying to KJ, not you. You realised that ... right ?
The questions is pointless. Of what importance it is whether or not Satan made himself look like a ghost?
I did not realise that; my sincere apologies.
The questions is pointless. Of what importance it is whether or not Satan made himself look like a ghost?
I think it may have been a demonic spirit, or Satan himself, who appeared to King Saul through the Medium. I believe King Saul was bothered by demonic spirits the rest of his life over that; however, I still believe he is saved; as the Bible said he rested, after his death.
16 Mar 22
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidIf one has had paranormal experiences oneself, one cannot easily dismiss them as hoaxes or illusions. They are every bit as vivid as typing this post on my iPhone now. You just haven’t met the right psychic yet.
I don't believe anybody has psychic abilities. There are always other things going on.
16 Mar 22
@kingdavid403 saidYes, possibly. I think the ancient pagan oracles might also have been psychics.
Prophets, etc.
16 Mar 22
@neilarini saidYes and no. Products of human consciousness, undoubtedly, but not dreams.
Ghosts are a product of human consciousness. They are the images of dead people seen in dreams. Primitive people's were afraid these 'ghosts' they saw in their dreams were people risen from the dead, hence many primitive graves feature corpses bound with rope to prevent them from reappearing.
Today we understand dreams aren't real and can make sense of this. Apart from people who believe in ghost's that is.
16 Mar 22
@rajk999 saidShow me ghosts of people in scripture roaming the earth. I believe this will be no different from other things you claim that you can not provide scripture for.
You believe and you think and thats nice. Regarding the matter of ghosts we are going with what the bible says, and there is nothing in the bible about 'demonic' .. but then its KJ and his church opinions.
I can now think of two events and God was involved in both. What Jesus talked about I put His words over yours, again.
@suzianne saidVery similar experiences to mine. Some people seem to be receptive to this sort of phenomenon, others not at all.
I think that's a function of language. We don't have the proper words yet to describe what's going on. I think there is such a thing as psychic energy, as moonbus said, produced by the mind, and it is possible that ghosts are a manifestation or, perhaps better said, a recording left behind in the environmental substrate.
I had a great aunt who had a haunted house. Th ...[text shortened]... hing what room it was in. It was a very weird house, perhaps with a lot of leftover psychic energy.
Residual energy is as good an explanation as any. I do not think ectoplasm is real.
You are right that our everyday vocabulary just does not capture the weirdness of these experiences. How people experience them and certainly how they report them later may have a lot to do with the images and mythology one is exposed to as a child.
16 Mar 22
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@moonbus saidAccording to scriptures in the Bible, a psychic, soothsayer, fortune teller, etc; they can be from any walk of life; even from the darker side. Of course the Godly side also; called a Prophet usually.
Yes, possibly. I think the ancient pagan oracles might also have been psychics.
16 Mar 22
@kingdavid403 saidOk, everybody is free to speculate and can form their own opinion. I am just posting what the bible said. I did not speculate. All I said was that
I was replying to KJ, not you. You realised that ... right ?
I did not realise that; my sincere apologies.
The questions is pointless. Of what importance it is whether or not Satan made himself look like a ghost?
I think it may have been a demonic spirit, or Satan himself, who appeared to King Saul through the Medium. I believe King Saul was bothered ...[text shortened]... life over that; however, I still believe he is saved; as the Bible said he rested, after his death.
- Saul consulted with a medium.
- he as told that was wrong
- The medium did call out the ghost of Samuel
Thats it. Churches like to speculate and add stuff to the bible that just is not there.
I do not do that, and you are just showing me why it is a stupid practice ... your speculation and explanation and Satan appearing to Saul, is complete nonsense.
16 Mar 22
@KellyJay
If I Recall the gospels correctly, when the risen Jesus reportedly appeared to his disciples, they wanted to put their fingers in his wounds, presumably to assure themselves that what they were seeing was not an apparition or a ghost. Ghosts are never reported to have any substance to them. So clearly, the concept of a ghost or apparition was known in those times.
16 Mar 22
@kingdavid403 saidI’m as skeptical as the next man. I wouldn’t put much trust in a gypsy palm reader at the circus who charges a dollar !
According to scriptures in the Bible, a psychic, soothsayer, fortune teller, etc; they can be from any walk of life; even from the darker side. Of course the Godly side also; called a Prophet usually.
16 Mar 22
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@rajk999 said- The medium did call out the ghost of Samuel
Ok, everybody is free to speculate and can form their own opinion. I am just posting what the bible said. I did not speculate. All I said was that
- Saul consulted with a medium.
- he as told that was wrong
- The medium did call out the ghost of Samuel
Thats it. Churches like to speculate and add stuff to the bible that just is not there.
I do not do that, and you ar ...[text shortened]... id practice ... your speculation and explanation and Satan appearing to Saul, is complete nonsense.
Yes, The ungodly medium did call out the ghost of Samuel; that does not mean that who appeared and spoke, was him.
I did not say anything was for certain in my speculations; however, I find it as a strong possibility.
16 Mar 22
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@moonbus saidIt always has been a big money maker; especially in times past.
I’m as skeptical as the next man. I wouldn’t put much trust in a gypsy palm reader at the circus who charges a dollar !
16 Mar 22
@moonbus saidthey wanted to put their fingers in his wounds, presumably to assure themselves that what they were seeing was not an apparition or a ghost.
@KellyJay
If I Recall the gospels correctly, when the risen Jesus reportedly appeared to his disciples, they wanted to put their fingers in his wounds, presumably to assure themselves that what they were seeing was not an apparition or a ghost. Ghosts are never reported to have any substance to them. So clearly, the concept of a ghost or apparition was known in those times.
They did put their fingers in His wounds, and it appears as if Jesus was partly some sort of apparition to them after His resurrection. There are a couple other things said also that would led one to believe that.
@kingdavid403 saidThere we go. I try not to do that. The bible did not call the woman ungodly. If it did them please show me the reference. The bible did say that Samuel spoke to Saul. Plus I see no need to speculate about it. You see the need to add to the bible to justify your church doctrine.
- The medium did call out the ghost of Samuel
Yes, The ungodly medium did call out the ghost of Samuel; that does not mean that who appeared and spoke, was him.
I did not say anything was for certain in my speculations; however, I find it as a strong possibility.
16 Mar 22
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@rajk999 saidIf she is a medium, and God says: 'stay away from mediums because they are evil in My Sight;' then It's fairly safe to assume, that she was not a Godly woman, that does evil in the Sight of God. 🙄
There we go. I try not to that. The bible did not call the woman ungodly. If it did them please show me the reference. The bible did say that Samuel spoke to Saul. Plus I see no need to speculate about it. You see the need to add to the bible to justify your church doctrine.
Which "church doctrine" is that? I did not add anything but common sense; your problem maybe?