God Condoned Chattel Slavery

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Your cross is heavy indeed, and of your own manufacture.

Sort yourself out.

Lobbed gently and with due respect back at you.
Sort yourself out and stop worrying about me: you are not in a position to figure out anyone but you.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
So, unable to deal with this post sonship, you threw your rattle out of the pram and created a new thread about how I and others think we are more righteous than Jesus.

Classy.

I dealt with the issue. I just didn't specifically reply to Dive.

i wrote that the laws about slavery were controlling and regulating and not creation of an ideal state.

The question is like "Is Divorce justifiable?"

God hated divorce.
God's blessing on the obedient would nullify the need for divorce.
God, however, made provision to regulate and control divorce should it happen.

Same with slavery.

I also said since kidnapping was both in OT and NT condemned, slavery based on kidnapping was condemned by God.

NOW you guys who are so sure it was evil for God to condone indefensible slavery can go over to my new thread and answer how you judge Jesus Christ Who "condoned" His Father as "Righteous".

Originally posted by @fmf
If it had been legally impossible for the authorities in the country in which Meechan lives to gaol him for what he did, and if he was now walking free, would that have been better than what has happened?

LOL yes.

That would have been better.

You know, you can jump ahead to the next link in your logic if you like. I think I will be able to follow it.

Originally posted by @sonship
I dealt with the issue. I just didn't specifically reply to Dive.

i wrote that the laws about slavery were controlling and regulating and not creation of an ideal state.

The question is like "Is Divorce justifiable?"

God hated divorce.
God's blessing on the obedient would nullify the need for divorce.
God, however, made provision to reg ...[text shortened]... ew thread and answer how you judge Jesus Christ Who "condoned" His Father as [b]"Righteous".[/b]

Perhaps you should have waited until 2am (GMT) to make this post (safe in the knowledge that I'd be in bed) and then be able to say I was strangely quiet, as though your profound words had struck me speechless.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
So, unable to deal with this post sonship, you threw your rattle out of the pram and created a new thread about how I and others think we are more righteous than Jesus.

Classy.

...how I and others think we are more righteous than Jesus.
And yet that is exactly what you and others posit on a regular basis.
If you saw the Lord Jesus Christ as sufficient, there wouldn't be any complaints from you.
Not only is He presented as insufficient, according to the logic you end up with, He isn't even necessary.
Worse, it's not man who needs redemption, but God Himself.

You sure are a far way from home, huh.

Originally posted by @freakykbh
[b]...how I and others think we are more righteous than Jesus.
And yet that is exactly what you and others posit on a regular basis.
If you saw the Lord Jesus Christ as sufficient, there wouldn't be any complaints from you.
Not only is He presented as insufficient, according to the logic you end up with, He isn't even necessary.
Worse, it's not man who needs redemption, but God Himself.

You sure are a far way from home, huh.[/b]

Do you personally believe that slavery, as in owning another person as property, is morally justified?

Originally posted by @divegeester
Do you personally believe that slavery, as in owning another person as property, is morally justified?

You’ve got the cart too far up the horse’s ass, which is making it impossible to see things aright--- or, at least, with any separation required for thoughtful consideration of required property.

Because the good and evil system is less than an ideal state--- it is the ideal state offered in replacement to the ideal state--- we cannot compare its properties with that of the preferred condition.
You may as well ask whether or not death is a morally justified condition.
Or taxes.
Both were considered normative aspects of human existence whilst the Lord Jesus Christ walked the plane and He dealt with them with aplomb: perhaps He knows something of their nature which you are not considering with respect to this other (demonstrably) expected reality of life.

Or, consider knowledge.
If knowledge is the preferred condition, why are we born ignorant, despite what appears to be the capacity for all knowledge?
Is it morally justified to come into the world ignorant?
Is it morally justified for knowledge to be less than obvious, less than clear?

According to some who frequent this forum, knowledge is emphatically not to be found in the Bible… and yet at least two of those who constantly peddle this idea were, at one point in time, fully convinced that the Bible was the source of knowledge of intrinsic value.
Are we to believe them now, now that they have it finally figured out?

Originally posted by @freakykbh
You’ve got the cart too far up the horse’s ass, which is making it impossible to see things aright--- or, at least, with any separation required for thoughtful consideration of required property.

Because the good and evil system is less than an ideal state--- it is the ideal state offered in replacement to the ideal state--- we cannot compare its prope ...[text shortened]... edge of intrinsic value.
Are we to believe them now, now that they have it finally figured out?

I’m sorry, was that a yes or a no?

Originally posted by @freakykbh
[b]...how I and others think we are more righteous than Jesus.
And yet that is exactly what you and others posit on a regular basis.
If you saw the Lord Jesus Christ as sufficient, there wouldn't be any complaints from you.
Not only is He presented as insufficient, according to the logic you end up with, He isn't even necessary.
Worse, it's not man who needs redemption, but God Himself.

You sure are a far way from home, huh.[/b]

And you sir, 'far away from a coherent sentence'. Sometimes I think you just randomly hit the keys with your flat forehead.

Respectfully yours and all that...

Originally posted by @divegeester
I’m sorry, was that a yes or a no?

You have the first part of your post right, at least.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
And you sir, 'far away from a coherent sentence'. Sometimes I think you just randomly hit the keys with your flat forehead.

Respectfully yours and all that...

Well, aren't you just the embodiment of ol' Georgie Porgie?
All ribbons and bows for the pleasantries, but when those mean ideas come out, by gum, you hightail it for the other territories.

Keep it real, faker.

Originally posted by @freakykbh
Well, aren't you just the embodiment of ol' Georgie Porgie?
All ribbons and bows for the pleasantries, but when those mean ideas come out, by gum, you hightail it for the other territories.

Keep it real, faker.

Sorry old chap. I know you never produce mean ideas yourself,....well unless describing victims of terrorist attacks as mannequins. But apart from that.

You want politeness? Post something to warrant it.

Originally posted by @freakykbh
You’ve got the cart too far up the horse’s ass, which is making it impossible to see things aright--- or, at least, with any separation required for thoughtful consideration of required property.

Because the good and evil system is less than an ideal state--- it is the ideal state offered in replacement to the ideal state--- we cannot compare its prope ...[text shortened]... edge of intrinsic value.
Are we to believe them now, now that they have it finally figured out?

Leviticus 25
44“ ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life,..

In the above passage God is depicted as clearly and unambiguously condoning chattel slavery:
Considered property? Check.
Slaves for life? Check.
Can be bequeathed to children? Check.

What's interesting is the number of Christians who feel compelled to defend chattel slavery when faced with this.

Why not simply assert that the depiction of God condoning chattel slavery by the Jews was wrong since it is antithetical to the teachings of Jesus?

Originally posted by @freakykbh
You have the first part of your post right, at least.

Your inability to be honest and unequivocal and yet to waffle on inconsequentially continues to amuse.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Leviticus 25
44“ ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them sla ...[text shortened]... doning chattel slavery by the Jews was wrong since it is antithetical to the teachings of Jesus?

It appears that you have a better grip on the sanctity of freedom than the ancient Jews--- who, in complete brain-dead fashion, didn't bat an eye at this topic when God Himself addressed how to handle it.
Where was their collective thinking?
How could they be so callous?