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@kingdavid403 said
Then out of the other side of your mouth, you say that half the teachings of Christ you do not believe, and that the teachings of Christ do not steer your moral compass.

It's coming out of the SAME, the only, side of my mouth. The supernatural aspects attributed to Jesus' teachings are of no practical moral use to me because I am not a Christian.

@kingdavid403 said
So you do not believe the Bible teachings of Christ to be accurate?

See my first two posts on the "Friction" thread.

@fmf said
Yes. I subscribe to some of Jesus' teachings. They make moral sense to me.

So, you clearly believe in some of His teachings?
Some, the cherry picked ones?

@fmf said
See my first two posts on the "Friction" thread.

no.

@kingdavid403 said
You picked and chose the ones that you like and said to yourself, the rest are lies?

Yes, I have cherry-picked the ones that have a practical moral application and I have left out the supernatural stuff that I do not believe in. I would not characterize the bits I do not believe in as "lies" or "fiction". My rationale for that is laid out in the thread entitled "Friction".

@kingdavid403 said
So, you clearly believe in some of His teachings?
Some, the cherry picked ones?

I think that much of what Jesus is said to have taught is morally sound and a good code for living and a good template for the world.

@kingdavid403 said
I'm not fixated on anything to do with you.

Do you believe it doesn't matter if I don't believe Jesus is God?

@kingdavid403 said
So, you clearly believe in some of His teachings?
Some, the cherry picked ones?

I have cherry-picked the parts of Christian norms and values that are credible and coherent ~ and applicable ~ to me.

I am an agnostic atheist; so there's nothing wrong with me cherry-picking.

It's a synthesizing process that the moral compass of a free moral agent performs.

@fmf said
Ok, well this is what I suggested in my OP...

"God created you in order that you believe in him and worship him and if you do, you will have everlasting life".

forever = everlasting life
relationship = belief, worship

For you, what else belongs under "relationship"?

Better even than the "everlasting life" stuff atheists like to focus on, or rather, claiming that we focus on it, is the "more abundant life", meaning the here and now, that we are promised in scripture.

Also, someone who listens and wishes an interaction with us.

@suzianne said
Better even than the "everlasting life" stuff atheists like to focus on, or rather, claiming that we focus on it, is the "more abundant life", meaning the here and now, that we are promised in scripture.

I don't think one has to be religious to feel one is living an abundant life. As for how one achieves that, well, different strokes for different folks.

"God created you in order that you believe in him and worship him and if you do, you will have a more abundant life that is everlasting".

How about that?

@fmf said
I don't think one has to be religious to feel one is living an abundant life. As for how one achieves that, well, different strokes for different folks.

"God created you in order that you believe in him and worship him and if you do, you will have a more abundant life that is everlasting".

How about that?

If you're looking for my version of your OP statement, see my first post in this thread.

@suzianne said
If you're looking for my version of your OP statement, see my first post in this thread.

Yes, I saw that. I thought it was a bit wishy-washy in its effort to be overly succinct.

I'm looking for a kind of 2, 3 or 4 pronged slogan.

If you had to add 1 or 2 more to belief and worship, what would they be?

@kingdavid403 said
@rajk999 said
Please show where it says the man is going to heaven.
Thanks.
Jesus said: "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise."
Sounds like heaven to me. Anyone else?

This man died on the cross with NO good works, NO righteous acts, He died a thief and nothing but a thief; who was saved by faith in Jesus only. Nothing mor ...[text shortened]... ighteous acts are required (absolute) by God to be saved, you clearly are wrong; and, a liar.

"Sounds like ..."??? You are superimposing your opinion on true bible statements. The fact is, there is no statement in the bible about men going to heaven after death., That like most of your Church teachings are plain lies and false doctrines.

In fact Jesus says the opposite : And no man hath ascended up to heaven, ....
(John 3:13 KJV)

Your entire church doctrine is probably ridiculous nonsense. I bet you also believe that angels have wings...lol

@secondson said
God doesn't "require" anything from anybody. Only faith, or belief if you will. It's the only thing one can do without doing anything. Think about that!

This whole notion that followers of Jesus just HAVE to think/believe certain things [about Jesus and about themselves] "without doing anything" ~ in order to get everlasting life ~ seems to be the central plank of your version of Christianity. Fair enough, if that's what you believe. It's your prerogative.

@fmf said
This whole notion that followers of Jesus just HAVE to think/believe certain things [about Jesus and about themselves] "without doing anything" ~ in order to get everlasting life ~ seems to be the central plank of your version of Christianity. Fair enough, if that's what you believe. It's your prerogative.

The strange thing here to me is:
You have hypothetically shouted from the rooftops here that you do not believe Jesus to be Lord or God. Even tho you did believe Jesus to be so at one time as a Christian.
So how is it that you can judge other Christians, their beliefs, and their actions in Jesus, when you have No beliefs in Him what so ever.
Yes, we ALL can judge right from wrong; but how can you as a 100% Atheist, judge a believer's relationship with God? When you do not believe in God?
You have No beliefs in Jesus or scripture other than, "one must do good works if they believe in Jesus."
which in my opinion, you only do so, so you think you can judge other Christians as phony Christians, in your 100% non-believing in Jesus Atheist eyes.
Strange indeed.
Please share with us why you went from "believing in Christ" to non believer. This may help explain why you think you can judge professors of Christ, as a 100% unbelieving Atheist.