19 Jun 06
Originally posted by fogwalkerGod gave us the 10 Commandments to show us what living a pure life is all about. Noone can live a pure life and be w/out sin. "For all have fallen short of the Glory of God." God gave us Law to show us that it is through Jesus Christ alone that we are saved.(Accepting Christ as our Savior and asking for forgiviness.) "We are saved by grace and not by the law" We should always strive to live a holy and pure life but we WILL sin. It's unavoidable. But thanks to Christ dying on the Cross, and accepting his as our Savior, we now are not judged by the Law/Ten commandments but we are saved through his sacrifice.
hey will everitt how are you? .you are right friend,you do have the ability to know right from wrong as do we all,because GOD gave us all a consceince,the word consceince means with knowledge..So when we do something weather it is right or wrong we do it with knowledge.for instance if one tells a lie no matter what kind of lie or how many lies they told. ...[text shortened]... ith this consceince,you have the ability to choose right or wrong. >>>(will be continued)
19 Jun 06
Originally posted by PureRWandBI thought we supposedly had free will. Can't I choose not to sin?
God gave us the 10 Commandments to show us what living a pure life is all about. Noone can live a pure life and be w/out sin. "For all have fallen short of the Glory of God." God gave us Law to show us that it is through Jesus Christ alone that we are saved.(Accepting Christ as our Savior and asking for forgiviness.) "We are saved by grace and not by the ...[text shortened]... , we now are not judged by the Law/Ten commandments but we are saved through his sacrifice.
19 Jun 06
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWe all choose to sin. Can anyone among us honestly say they have never sinned? Or, to avoid
I thought we supposedly had free will. Can't I choose not to sin?
"Christian" terms... Can anyone among us honestly say they have never done anything wrong? Even by one's own standards, we have all done wrong according to our own conscience.
Proving that people do wrong is not difficult. I wonder if anyone can prove that they do truly right. By doing right, doesn't the whole act have to be right? Doesn't this include motive? I mean if the whole act to be concluded as right or righteous doesn't the inception, plan, motivation, and act have to be right or righteous?
What are some thoughts?
19 Jun 06
Originally posted by Big MacI don;t believe in the concept of "sin", therefore I have never sinned. QED.
We all choose to sin. Can anyone among us honestly say they have never sinned? Or, to avoid
"Christian" terms... Can anyone among us honestly say they have never done anything wrong? Even by one's own standards, we have all done wrong according to our own conscience.
Proving that people do wrong is not difficult. I wonder if anyone can prove that they d ...[text shortened]... ption, plan, motivation, and act have to be right or righteous?
What are some thoughts?
19 Jun 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzdid you even read my post?
I don;t believe in the concept of "sin", therefore I have never sinned. QED.
"sin" was used by the previous writer. i used his word and substituted it for doing something wrong... or against your conscience. i can only assume you have one of those.
19 Jun 06
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Originally posted by rwingettThere can be no such things as an atheist. This is why:
It's up to you to prove to me that god is real, not for me to do the opposite. The atheist has no need to prove anything.
Let's say that you know an incredible one percent of all the knowledge in the universe. To know 100 percent, you would have to know everything. There wouldn't be a rock in the universe that you would not be intimately familiar with, or a grain of sand that you would not be aware of. You would know everything that has happened in history, from that which is common knowledge to the minor details of the secret love life of Napoleon's great-grandmother's black cat's fleas. You would know every hair of every head, and every thought of every heart. All history would be laid out before you, because you would be omniscient (all-knowing).
Bear in mind that one of the greatest scientists who ever lived, Thomas Edison, said, "We do not know a millionth of one percent about anything." Let me repeat: Let's say that you have an incredible one percent of all the knowledge in the universe. Would it be possible, in the ninety-nine percent of the knowledge that you haven't yet come across, that there might be ample evidence to prove the existence of God? If you are reasonable, you will be forced to admit that it is possible. Somewhere, in the knowledge you haven't yet discovered, there could be enough evidence to prove that God does exist.
Let's look at the same thought from another angle. If I were to make an absolute statement such as, "There is no gold in China," what is needed for that statement to be proven true? I need absolute or total knowledge. I need to have information that there is no gold in any rock, in any river, in the ground, in any store, in any ring, or in any mouth (gold filling) in China. If there is one speck of gold in China, then my statement is false and I have no basis for it. I need absolute knowledge before I can make an absolute statement of that nature. Conversely, for me to say, "There is gold in China," I don't need to have all knowledge. I just need to have seen a speck of gold in the country, and the statement is then true.
To say categorically, "There is no God," is to make an absolute statement. For the statement to be true, I must know for certain that there is no God in the entire universe. No human being has all knowledge. Therefore, none of us is able to truthfully make this assertion.
If you insist upon disbelief in God, what you must say is, "Having the limited knowledge I have at present, I believe that there is no God." Owing to a lack of knowledge on your part, you don't know if God exists. So, in the strict sense of the word, you cannot be an atheist. The only true qualifier for the title is the One who has absolute knowledge, and why on earth would God want to deny His own existence
19 Jun 06
Originally posted by flyUnityWhat you say could just as easily be argued in the reverse:
There can be no such things as an atheist. This is why:
Let's say that you know an incredible one percent of all the knowledge in the universe. To know 100 percent, you would have to know everything. There wouldn't be a rock in the universe that you would not be intimately familiar with, or a grain of sand that you would not be aware of. You would know ev ...[text shortened]... solute knowledge, and why on earth would God want to deny His own existence
to say categorically that there is a god, is to make an absolute statement. By your logic, none of us can make this assertion.
19 Jun 06
Originally posted by Big MacI am intentionally trying to include the Christian term, as my post is directed at Christians.
We all choose to sin. Can anyone among us honestly say they have never sinned? Or, to avoid
"Christian" terms... Can anyone among us honestly say they have never done anything wrong? Even by one's own standards, we have all done wrong according to our own conscience.
Proving that people do wrong is not difficult. I wonder if anyone can prove that they d ...[text shortened]... ption, plan, motivation, and act have to be right or righteous?
What are some thoughts?
19 Jun 06
Originally posted by Big MacNo sorry, I'm not an atheist that relies on rational arguments and therefore must in the end become an agnostic - or, if you like a fence sitter.
Could we all agree that there might me a god?
My atheism is likely as irrational as any religious belief, but for my world to work. For me to be able to exist in it and retain my sanity, there can be no gods - no supernatural.
A world where such existed, much as they make good stories, isn't one I care to live in - so I deny any possibility of existence of gods. Call me irrational if you like. I'm sure it is.
19 Jun 06
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Originally posted by amannionActually you cant, If I find one ounce of Gold in China, I "know" there is gold in China, and I don't have absolute knowledge of China, but you would have to have absolute knowledge of China to say there is no gold in China,
What you say could just as easily be argued in the reverse:
to say categorically that there is a god, is to make an absolute statement. By your logic, none of us can make this assertion.
If I have a Television set, and pictures are coming on it, I "know" that there are radio waves in the air, but in order for you to say "there is no radio waves in the air", you would need absolute knowledge of everything.
A Christian is like television, no one can see the radio waves in the air, but if we tune into "Gods Channel", we know that God exist. (although its technically impossible for me to prove it, just like its impossible to prove radio waves exist in the air by just sight. (without seeing a receiver)
19 Jun 06
Originally posted by amannionthank you for your post, and i appreciate your honesty. not to be offensive, but i agree with you that it is irrational to deny the existence of something based on your comfort zone. but, i will not try to convince you. i don't think i could. i don't have the tools necessary to explain to you that you should be open to the possibility of something greater than yourself. (greater as in bigger, not better)
No sorry, I'm not an atheist that relies on rational arguments and therefore must in the end become an agnostic - or, if you like a fence sitter.
My atheism is likely as irrational as any religious belief, but for my world to work. For me to be able to exist in it and retain my sanity, there can be no gods - no supernatural.
A world where such existed, mu ...[text shortened]... I deny any possibility of existence of gods. Call me irrational if you like. I'm sure it is.
19 Jun 06
Originally posted by Big MacDon't get me wrong, I am open to the idea of something greater than me, in fact I'm certain of it. I just don't believe that it is supernatural in any sense.
thank you for your post, and i appreciate your honesty. not to be offensive, but i agree with you that it is irrational to deny the existence of something based on your comfort zone. but, i will not try to convince you. i don't think i could. i don't have the tools necessary to explain to you that you should be open to the possibility of something greater than yourself. (greater as in bigger, not better)