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Originally posted by KellyJay
Well why debate me over what God said He is going to do if you reject the
reality of God and God's judgment of His creation out right? If you believe you
can stand alone and need nothing that is up to you, it will be tested on
judgment day, if you are right you are good, if you are wrong, its on you.
Kelly

Sweet. I feel fine either way. Not that I believe in Judgment Day, en masse, but something like an account of your life is in order at the end of it, lets just leave it at that,eh?

Why debate you over what God said? You mean what the bible said, right?

Because I enjoy it, I guess would be the simplest answer. There is a Zen master in everyone if you look for it, so I dont alienate Christians from my world, or their beliefs, just as you should accept mine and everyone elses, as long as it is peaceful and non intrusive, of course.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I completely agree God created all things good and evil, as soon as you create
a good path leaving it is evil. As I pointed out to you God could have just said
this is good your okay, that is bad your condemned and that was that, but what
God did do was let everything show itself for what it is and why! Loving your
kids becomes a very real thing when pa ...[text shortened]... ng us into His Kingdom we
don't love our lives over Him and reject sin as best we can.
Kelly

You still seem to be suggesting we have a choice! Let me ask you a simple question, does god know what we are going to do?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Did you read the first line or no?
Kelly

Yes I read the first line. Your answer was vague.

The question is - do you think the threat of violence is an acceptable foundation for a relationship?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Yes I read the first line. Your answer was vague.

The question is - do you think the threat of violence is an acceptable foundation for a relationship?

No, I do not, but I also don't think warning someone about impending doom
and a way out is threatening violence, if you want to compare God to your
friend question. For me as I pointed it out was more like the parent child
relationship where the child is heading down a bad path and curses the parent
for the warning of what is about to happen to them.
Kelly

Originally posted by OdBod
You still seem to be suggesting we have a choice! Let me ask you a simple question, does god know what we are going to do?

You were given a choice, if not there would be no right or wrong path for you
to pick you'd just go to jail. If you want to claim because you get to choose and
God knows you have no choice, that too is on you, choose your path.
Kelly

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Sweet. I feel fine either way. Not that I believe in Judgment Day, en masse, but something like an account of your life is in order at the end of it, lets just leave it at that,eh?

Why debate you over what God said? You mean what the bible said, right?

Because I enjoy it, I guess would be the simplest answer. There is a Zen master in everyone if y ...[text shortened]... u should accept mine and everyone elses, as long as it is peaceful and non intrusive, of course.

If you reject it out of hand why bother. You will make your bed like everyone
else and live with the results.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, I do not, but I also don't think warning someone about impending doom
and a way out is threatening violence, if you want to compare God to your
friend question. For me as I pointed it out was more like the parent child
relationship where the child is heading down a bad path and curses the parent
for the warning of what is about to happen to them.
Kelly

The God of the Bible is telling people to believe in him otherwise he will effectively kill them. If that is not a threat of violence then what is?

Originally posted by KellyJay
You were given a choice, if not there would be no right or wrong path for you
to pick you'd just go to jail. If you want to claim because you get to choose and
God knows you have no choice, that too is on you, choose your path.
Kelly

I'm not claiming anything. I am asking YOU , does your god know what you are going to do ?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
The God of the Bible is telling people to believe in him otherwise he will effectively kill them. If that is not a threat of violence then what is?

The God of the Bible is telling people there is a price for sin, to avoid it come
to Him He can save you. If that isn't help what is it?
Kelly

Originally posted by OdBod
I'm not claiming anything. I am asking YOU , does your god know what you are going to do ?

I'm not really sure to be honest. I believe God knows all that can be known,
if I choose, can he know it until I've made it, or if the path becomes such that
if I go here I can only go there from now on? If something is impossible to
know than it cannot be known, if He can see all possible outcomes, and I am
the one incharge of my path by my choices, its on me. If He gives me an out
and I refuse it, its on me.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you reject it out of hand why bother. You will make your bed like everyone
else and live with the results.
Kelly

Why bother? Because it's something close to my heart.
And I dont reject it out of hand. I just look at it different from you and it seems to make you uncomfortable, whereas I'm happy as Larry with whatever views people hold, because as we both know, no one has to believe in "God" for It to exist - if it works, then it works. Apparently Christianity works for a lot of people and that's just grand, but it's not a matter of Christians being right and everybody else being wrong. All cultures,religions,sciences contribute to humanity and the understanding of spirituality. As you said , I have made my bed , and it's going to be a damn fine seat of enlightenment that I lodge myself into as soon as I free myself from my few remaining follies. As Frank Zappas album so nicely put it "One size does not fit all"

Originally posted by KellyJay
The God of the Bible is telling people there is a price for sin, to avoid it come
to Him He can save you. If that isn't help what is it?
Kelly

He can save us from himself?! 😕

It's an ultimatum based on a threat of violence. Do as I say otherwise I will kill you.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm not really sure to be honest. I believe God knows all that can be known,
if I choose, can he know it until I've made it, or if the path becomes such that
if I go here I can only go there from now on? If something is impossible to
know than it cannot be known, if He can see all possible outcomes, and I am
the one incharge of my path by my choices, its on me. If He gives me an out
and I refuse it, its on me.
Kelly

It is not often you get a reasonable answer to that question,thank you. I think in order to have genuine free will and thereby responsibility for your actions the future, cannot be known. Is it possible that a god like entity exists, but is subject to certain restraints? Well that is an entirely different proposition.

Originally posted by OdBod
It is not often you get a reasonable answer to that question,thank you. I think in order to have genuine free will and thereby responsibility for your actions the future, cannot be known. Is it possible that a god like entity exists, but is subject to certain restraints? Well that is an entirely different proposition.

God is limited by His nature, for example He will not lie. So I don't have one
issue with God giving us choices and we are the one's making them.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
He can save us from himself?! 😕

It's an ultimatum based on a threat of violence. Do as I say otherwise I will kill you.

You are hell bent on painting this as bad as you can, pun intended.
It is a warning, sin brings death...the wages of sin is death, this is how you
are freed from that. Avoid the forgiveness die in your sins.
Kelly