God on Trial

Originally posted by KellyJay
Does God sin or temp anyone to sin? If He does not than blaming Him for sin seems to be
a way to avoid our own short comings.

It's all people talking like they THINK a god would be like. In reality, there is no bible god. Just men making up religious rules and excluding women from equality. That is the long and short of it.

Otherwise there would be ONE religion for ALL humans.

A god capable of starting a religion would want said religion to effect all humans and so would set it up the same for all humans.

The fact it is nothing like that, thousands of religions, a lot of them total enemies, proves no god made ANY of them.

All it shows is every religion THINKING their religion is THE true religion, with all the rest saying they are wrong.

Tell me a god would do that.

Oh yeah, now you will pull the 'free will' card and the 'so now you know the mind of god' card or the 'devil did it' card.

So which one will you present first?

Originally posted by sonhouse
It's all people talking like they THINK a god would be like. In reality, there is no bible god. Just men making up religious rules and excluding women from equality. That is the long and short of it.

Otherwise there would be ONE religion for ALL humans.

A god capable of starting a religion would want said religion to effect all humans and so would se ...[text shortened]... know the mind of god' card or the 'devil did it' card.

So which one will you present first?

Sonhouse, what is your opinion of what I wrote at the bottom of page 2?

Same for Ghost.

Originally posted by chaney3
Sonhouse, what is your opinion of what I wrote at the bottom of page 2?

Same for Ghost.

A gift needs to be accepted. Otherwise it gets returned to sender.

I think you're back in that ocean sir, flailing your arms about in despair. It's time to pick a direction and swim in it. Blaming God doesn't make sense for an atheist or a Christian. For an atheist a fictional God can not be held to account and for a person of faith you have to trust He knows what He is doing, that an all loving, all knowing God has a plan, even if that plan is beyond your own comprehension.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
A gift needs to be accepted. Otherwise it gets returned to sender.

I think you're back in that ocean sir, flailing your arms about in despair. It's time to pick a direction and swim in it. Blaming God doesn't make sense for an atheist or a Christian. For an atheist a fictional God can not be held to account and for a person of faith you have to tr ...[text shortened]... t an all loving, all knowing God has a plan, even if that plan is beyond your own comprehension.

Your advice could easily apply to yourself.

You are too well versed in these matters to proclaim atheism. You know too much.

Originally posted by chaney3
Your advice could easily apply to yourself.

You are too well versed in these matters to proclaim atheism. You know too much.

The world has all kinds of people.

Some like Ghost read, understand, attempt to live according to the teachings of Jesus. However they stay away from churches. People have different reasons for that - like child abuse, corruption, greedy pastors and a all round failure of church leaders to live the life required of them.

Some like you read, understand and because of personal weakness, find their lives in turmoil, with alcohol, drugs, prostitution, unemployment and poverty. So they look for a scapegoat and they find God is the one to blame.

Both types will be judged when that day comes.

Originally posted by Rajk999
The world has all kinds of people.

Some like Ghost read, understand, attempt to live according to the teachings of Jesus. However they stay away from churches. People have different reasons for that - like child abuse, corruption, greedy pastors and a all round failure of church leaders to live the life required of them.

Some like you read, understand ...[text shortened]... apegoat and they find God is the one to blame.

Both types will be judged when that day comes.

Wow.

You have already admitted Rak, that your life is perfect. So how can you possibly judge another? When it's not your place to judge at all?

You are nothing less than the Pharasee in the bible.

Originally posted by chaney3
Wow.

You have already admitted Rak, that your life is perfect. So how can you possibly judge another? When it's not your place to judge at all?

You are nothing less than the Pharasee in the bible.

😀 .. Is not that a judgment by you?
You are the one with the load of personal problems pal.
Get off your lazy, good-for-nothing butt and go fix them instead of blaming God.

Originally posted by Rajk999
😀 .. Is not that a judgment by you?
You are the one with the load of personal problems pal.
Get off your lazy, good-for-nothing butt and go fix them instead of blaming God.

A Christian at his best.

Originally posted by Rajk999
😀 .. Is not that a judgment by you?
You are the one with the load of personal problems pal.
Get off your lazy, good-for-nothing butt and go fix them instead of blaming God.

The same could have been said to the guy that the Samaritan helped.

Get off your ass and fix your own life.

You are a pathetic man Rak.

Originally posted by chaney3
The same could have been said to the guy that the Samaritan helped.

Get off your ass and fix your own life.

You are a pathetic man Rak.

Tell us Rak, was the man that was helped by the Samaritan a lazy bum?

Originally posted by chaney3
A Christian at his best.

Im giving you very good advice. You are too stupid to see that.
You think a Christian is someone who tolerates your stupidity?

Originally posted by sonhouse
It's all people talking like they THINK a god would be like. In reality, there is no bible god. Just men making up religious rules and excluding women from equality. That is the long and short of it.

Otherwise there would be ONE religion for ALL humans.

A god capable of starting a religion would want said religion to effect all humans and so would se ...[text shortened]... know the mind of god' card or the 'devil did it' card.

So which one will you present first?

Even if you were right men are making up the rules and there is not God and people
realize they have been making up the rules all along what changes, they now make up
the rules as they go anyway? If you were right and people have been killing in the name
of God and they realize God isn't real do you think they will just find some other reason
to kill, because that is what people do and have been all along?

Instead of blaming God for all the ills people do you will be left with just blaming people
for all the ills they do without a pet excuse to do what they have all been doing all along.

Why do you continue to tell us god would never act they way while you tell us there is
no god?

Originally posted by chaney3
Tell us Rak, was the man that was helped by the Samaritan a lazy bum?

You moron. That man was beaten and robbed.
You are not that.
You are a weak man that has turned to evil to satisfy the desires of the flesh.
What you have sown, that you now reap.

Originally posted by apathist
If God is all-powerful creator, and if any souls suffer eternal damnation, then God is guilty of felony abuse. If any such damnation is due to the belief system of the victim then the charge is aggravated and the penalty should be enhanced.

Or it is a justice system that deals with sin in an eternal Kingdom where who causes sin
is kept out of the eternal Kingdom for as long as the Kingdom lasts.

Originally posted by chaney3
I had made a comment once, that a real God, who would sacrifice His Son on a cross for the benefit of all of us, would mean that it's ALL inclusive....with no rules. A done deal.

But, the Bible seems to say otherwise. There are rules, and beliefs attached to this "sacrifice of love".

no rules?
Where do you see that in scripture?