06 Apr 10
Originally posted by Proper Knobhow anyone with a masters degree could be associated with a scoundrel like you dear Noobster is quite miraculous, poor girl, one must admire her courage, fortitude and self sacrifice.
Cute, but you didn't answer my question.
Do you believe in pixies, goblins, unicorns etc etc? And if you don't, why not?
I'm sorry but i can't let this go by, but it's pure suicide to think their is no Devil, it should be there, not their. I've been proof reading my girlfriends Masters dissertation, so i'm in a pinickity mood.
06 Apr 10
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Originally posted by twhiteheadDoes one bow down to or pray to or kiss the bread and wine? Come on guys...think.
Part of the problem is your insistence on the word 'idol' which Conrau K has repeatedly pointed out does not in his opinion (nor most Catholics opinions) describe the statues they use in worship.
As for symbolism during worship, it is my understanding that the bread and the wine used in mass are symbolic and the instruction came directly from Jesus.
And look up the word idol in and dictionary and see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry
http://bible.cc/exodus/20-4.htm
http://www.cogwriter.com/idols.htm
06 Apr 10
Originally posted by Proper KnobNo I don't and sorry about me's spellin...
Cute, but you didn't answer my question.
Do you believe in pixies, goblins, unicorns etc etc? And if you don't, why not?
I'm sorry but i can't let this go by, but it's pure suicide to think their is no Devil, it should be there, not their. I've been proof reading my girlfriends Masters dissertation, so i'm in a pinickity mood.
06 Apr 10
Originally posted by galveston75you don't need to explain idolatry to us, you simply need to prove we(catholics and orthodox) pray to the objects instead of who they represent. good luck doing that
Does one bow down to or pray to or kiss the bread and wine? Come on guys...think.
And look up the word idol in and dictionary and see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry
06 Apr 10
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Originally posted by Zahlanziare you denying that scripture strictly forbids the bowing, kissing, veneration of an idol, whether you choose to make the claim that it is symbolic, directed elsewhere or whatever? i thought not.
you don't need to explain idolatry to us, you simply need to prove we(catholics and orthodox) pray to the objects instead of who they represent. good luck doing that
06 Apr 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm not called Proper Knob for nothing Rob, i make up for it in other 'departments'. 😉
how anyone with a masters degree could be associated with a scoundrel like you dear Noobster is quite miraculous, poor girl, one must admire her courage, fortitude and self sacrifice.
06 Apr 10
Originally posted by galveston75
Does one bow down to or pray to or kiss the bread and wine? Come on guys...think.
And look up the word idol in and dictionary and see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry
http://bible.cc/exodus/20-4.htm
http://www.cogwriter.com/idols.htm
06 Apr 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieyes it does, however i am not bowing to the icon, i am bowing to whoever that icon represents.
are you denying that scripture strictly forbids the bowing, kissing, veneration of an idol, whether you choose to make the claim that it is symbolic, directed elsewhere or whatever? i thought not.
it is a visual representation, kinda like when you assign a picture to a contact in your cellphone.
06 Apr 10
Originally posted by galveston75Did I say anyone did? How would it be relevant if they did? I know Anglicans kiss the bread, and kissing wine wouldn't be very easy but they do pray over it.
Does one bow down to or pray to or kiss the bread and wine? Come on guys...think.
And look up the word idol in and dictionary and see.
OK, I looked up all three links. What is your point? I already knew what an Idol is and I do not think Catholics or Anglicans believe the cross is an idol, or that they ever create or pray to idols.
I found this (from your last link) interesting.
"You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens or on the earth or in the sea."
Does this mean that you don't use cameras, or is it a mistranslation?
06 Apr 10
Originally posted by Proper KnobBut the really really big differance is the others you speak of have no proof that they exist. But one would have to be blind to not see the affects that Satan has on the world. Right? Of course an intelligent person would see that.
I didn't think you did because that would just be silly. They are myths of folklore, much like Satan.
06 Apr 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadDo I use the pictures I take in my worship to God? Do you really not get it?
Did I say anyone did? How would it be relevant if they did? I know Anglicans kiss the bread, and kissing wine wouldn't be very easy but they do pray over it.
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06 Apr 10
Originally posted by galveston75Well i must be blind because i don't see these effects of Satan. Would you care to divulge these effects that Satan has on the world that every intelligent person should see?
But the really really big differance is the others you speak of have no proof that they exist. But one would have to be blind to not see the affects that Satan has on the world. Right? Of course an intelligent person would see that.