Happy Easter

Originally posted by FMF
A symbol only represents the meaning that people invest in it.

Thus,one can hardly expect symbolism to be uniform around the world.

The symbolism of the crucifix here in Indonesia, for instance, is entirely Christian and not "pagan" at all.

and yet one cannot deny its origins effhim!

Originally posted by FMF
robbie, I asked divegeester the same question. Do you feel any solidarity with Indonesian Christians celebrating the resurrection of Christ?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No none whatsoever.

Just to confirm this ~ it's tucked away there in a flurry of posts.

You feel no solidarity whatsoever with Indonesian Christians celebrating the resurrection of Christ?

Originally posted by FMF
Just to confirm this ~ it's tucked away there in a flurry of posts.

You feel no solidarity whatsoever with Indonesian Christians celebrating the resurrection of Christ?

I cannot make this any clearer, absolutely no affinity. In fact after perusing some images i feel not a little repulsed if I am honest.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
and yet one cannot deny its origins effhim!

There are eggs all over the world, robbie. And humans come from sperm and eggs.

Like I said, a symbol only represents the meaning that people invest in it.

Do you disagree with this statement?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I cannot make this any clearer, absolutely no affinity.

Do you share an affinity with any other Christian or Christian group outside of the Jehovah's witnesses?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I cannot make this any clearer, absolutely no affinity. In fact after perusing some images i feel not a little repulsed if I am honest.

Do you feel any solidarity with any of the other Christian posters on this forum, galveston75 aside?

Originally posted by FMF
There are eggs all over the world, robbie. And humans come from sperm and eggs.

Like I said, a symbol only represents the meaning that people invest in it.

Do you disagree with this statement?

yes i disagree with it for two reasons, one it attempts to deny the origin of a symbol and two it means that you can practically say that a symbol means anything you like, irrespective of its usage, or in other words, its an attempt to deny the pagan symbolism inherent in Christianity, so i reject it for what it is, a proviso or a get out clause.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes i disagree with it for two reasons, one it attempts to deny the origin of a symbol and two it means that you can practically say that a symbol means anything you like, irrespective of its usage, or in other words, its an attempt to deny the pagan symbolism inherent in Christianity, so i reject it for what it is, a proviso or a get out clause.

Does the symbol of the swastika mean the same thing to devotees of certain Indian religions as it did [or does] to National Socialists and the German people?

Originally posted by FMF
Do you feel any solidarity with any of the other Christian posters on this forum, galveston75 aside?

It depends, sometimes I can resonate with a post here or there. I would just like to point out that once again you seem intent on turning this into a personal issue as is your modus operandi, i will inform you from here on in, all personal questions will be ignored, this is now about pagan elements in Christianity and particularly the celebration of Easter, it is not about me personally.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes i disagree with it for two reasons, one it attempts to deny the origin of a symbol

So you think the origin of the notion of an egg representing fertility throughout the world is in European "paganism"?

Originally posted by FMF
Does the symbol of the swastika mean the same thing to devotees of certain Indian religions as it did [or does] to National Socialists and the German people?

No they mean different things but the origin is the same, and the fact that the Nazis hijacked it as a symbol of Arianism rather highlights the point at hand, for its exactly the same thing that your christian fellows have done with these pagan elements and i should really thank you for highlighting the fact. the fact that they view or perceive them as anything other than pagan symbols cannot and does not negate the fact that they are still pagan elements, the fact that the swastika and its use cannot and does not negate its Hindu origins.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It depends, sometimes I can resonate with a post here or there. I would just like to point out that once again you seem intent on turning this into a personal issue as is your modus operandi, i will inform you from here on in, all personal questions will be ignored, this is now about pagan elements in Christianity and particularly the celebration of Easter, it is not about me personally.

"Resonating with a post here or there" is hardly having solidarity with.

I asked you if you share an affinity with any other other Christians here; in fact I'll go further do you accept that any of the posters here claiming to be Christians are in fact Christian other than in name?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It depends, sometimes I can resonate with a post here or there. I would just like to point out that once again you seem intent on turning this into a personal issue as is your modus operandi, i will inform you from here on in, all personal questions will be ignored, this is now about pagan elements in Christianity and particularly the celebration of Easter, it is not about me personally.

This is very much about what you personally believe about Indonesian Christians. You have been very adamant in pressing your personal opinion about whether you consider Indonesian Christians to be Christians, and have been quite emphatic that you personally feel no solidarity whatsoever with Christians here who commemorate the resurrection of Christ. Your personal opinions are yours and are all about you.

Originally posted by FMF
So you think the origin of the notion of an egg representing fertility throughout the world is in European "paganism"?

no where have i said that and if i have not why are you saying that I have, is this really the best you can do, fabricate statements and then attribute those fabricated values to other people in a sly and dishonest manner?

Originally posted by FMF
This is very much about what you personally believe about Indonesian Christians. You have been very adamant in pressing your personal opinion about whether you consider Indonesian Christians to be Christians, and have been quite emphatic that you personally feel no solidarity whatsoever with Christians here who commemorate the resurrection of Christ. Your personal opinions are yours and are all about you.

all personal questions will be ignored, you have been warned once, i will not do so again, if you cannot debate a matter on its own merits then you have nothing to say to me and i have nothing i want to give you either. I resent your attempts to turn every argument into a personal matter, its dishonest and its trolling.