19 Apr 14
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Originally posted by FMFI cannot say I do not read Indonesian although it probably includes elements which expose the paganism inherent in Christianity.
Does the JW distribute materials in Indonesia making accusations of paganism in the Christianity practised here?
19 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt could maybe get churches closed down if politicians picked up on it and it could certainly get people killed. I hope you think it is important for your organisation to propagate such opinions. Paganism is not protected by the 1945 constitution.
I cannot say I do not read Indonesian although it probably includes elements which expose the paganism inherent in Christianity.
19 Apr 14
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Originally posted by FMFChrist gave no command to commemorate his resurrection and I suspect that if i dig deep enough I may find a link to some pagan parallel, who can say.
Are the commemoration of Christ's execution and his resurrection Christian commemorations or pagan ones?
19 Apr 14
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Originally posted by FMFhere we are in Jakarta, 2013, not a pagan symbol in site
It could maybe get churches closed down if politicians picked up on it and it could certainly get people killed. I hope you think it is important for your organisation to propagate such opinions. Paganism is not protected by the 1945 constitution.
man we are beautiful!
19 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIsn't the resurrection of Christ absolutely central to the entire Christian belief system? Are you seriously suggestion that the risen Christ is a "pagan" belief?
Christ gave no command to commemorate his resurrection and I suspect that if i dig deep enough I may find a link to some pagan parallel, who can say.
19 Apr 14
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Originally posted by FMFNo i am saying that the festival of Easter was a pagan festival that was hijacked by Christianity and thats why it contains pagan elements to this day. If someone has the honest and the integrity to acknowledge this, please let me know.
Isn't the resurrection of Christ absolutely central to the entire Christian belief system? Are you seriously suggestion that the risen Christ is a "pagan" belief?
19 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI hope you don't contribute to churches getting closed, burned down or Christians murdered on account of the fact you think of yourselves as "beautiful".
here we are in Jakarta, 2013, not a pagan symbol in site
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx93UVW2B1A
man we are beautiful!
19 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou referred to what I described in my OP as a "pagan festival".
No i am saying that the festival of Easter was a pagan festival that was hijacked by Christianity and thats why it contains pagan elements to this day. If someone has the honest and the integrity to acknowledge this, please let me know.
19 Apr 14
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Originally posted by FMFIt has undoubtedly pagan elements effhim, even if its the crucifixes on the church wall. Now i need to leave here and when i get back i expect an acknowledgement that this is the case!
You referred to what I described in my OP as a "pagan festival".
19 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou described it as a "pagan festival". And yet it was a commemoration of Jesus' death and his resurrection. The crucifixes make it "pagan"? What "pagan" deities were the people mentioned in my OP worshipping?
It has undoubtedly pagan elements effhim, even if its the crucifixes on the church wall.
19 Apr 14
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWe Christians were told by Jesus to remember HIM, not death. We Christians have choosen to celebrate and remember His resurrection because LIFE is more important to us than DEATH. However, we do remember that Jesus had to die to give us LIFE.
Firstly I would point out that Christ gave a single commandment to remember his death, there is nothing in scripture, not a single iota with regard to commemorating of his resurrection. This would be my first point, an appeal made on the basis of scripture.
Obviously, the Gentiles had what was called pagan religions, but they were converted to Christianity and adapted some of their old religious customs to their new religion of Christianity.
Easter is Christian now and all the pagan symbols have been redefined to apply to the Christian beliefs. Go to a United Methodist Easter service for children and you will see what I mean. It provides a fun way for children to learn the Christian ideas.
19 Apr 14
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Originally posted by RJHindswhen you can admit that your form of worship is a hybrid of christian and pagan elements, then we can talk about what is true! I find it despicable that you use children to indoctrinate with your paganism. If you are not doing it at Christmas baiting them with presents, you are baiting them in at Halloween with sweets and if its not Halloween, its Easter! handing out chocolate eggs! In the immortal words of Daffy Duck, your dithpicable!
We christians were told by Jesus to remember HIM, not death. We Christians have choosen to celebrate and remember His resurrection because LIFE is more important to us than DEATH. However, we do remember that Jesus had to die to give us LIFE.
Obviously, the Gentiles had what was called pagan religions, but they were converted to Christianity and adapted ...[text shortened]... and you will see what I mean. It provides a fun way for children to learn the Christian ideas.
Rather interestingly there is a Methodist minister in the UK charged only this week with two counts of possessing class A drugs, I think that's the last place i would send my children, who knows what they might find in their Easter eggs, probably a few wraps of cocaine!