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Originally posted by @eladarMy personal proclamation there is solidly BASED on the New Testament.
Your personal proclamation.
One place that forms this basis I already gave you.
" Him who did not know sin He made sin on our behalf ..."
And why did God make His Son sin on our behalf ?
" ... that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." (2 Cor. 5:21)
How then is my aspiration to make a personal proclamation that I stand before God clothed in Jesus Christ, my only righteous standing, meaningless ?
I do not stand upon my own merit. I stand upon Christ alone the solid rock.
On Christ the solid Rock I stand.
All other ground is sinking sand.
All other ground is sinking sand.
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Originally posted by @eladar
What you say is meaningless. You could be just like all the others who proclaim Jesus as lord but get rejected.
What you say is meaningless. You could be just like all the others who proclaim Jesus as lord but get rejected.
Romans 10:9 says that if we confess Jesus as Lord and believe in our heart that God has raised Him from the dead, we will be saved. I believe this.
Now what it does NOT say that no one saying "Lord, Lord" will not ever be disciplined.
Here is an example in the NT of saved people who called on the Lord Jesus, who are disciplined rather than rewarded. Yet they are still saved.
" If anyone's work which he has built upon the foundation [Christ] remains, he will receive a reward.
If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." (1 Cor. 3:14,15)
Romans 10:9 says the one calling on the Lord Jesus with belief in his heart that God resurrected Him, will be saved. It doesn't say that such a one could never "suffer loss."
23 Aug 17
Originally posted by @sonshipDo you think Jesus lied about those who confessed Jesus as lord when he said he rejected them?What you say is meaningless. You could be just like all the others who proclaim Jesus as lord but get rejected.
[b]Romans 10:9 says that if we confess Jesus as Lord and believe in our heart that God has raised Him from the dead, we will be saved. I believe this.
Now what it does NOT say that no one saying "Lord, Lord" will ...[text shortened]... esurrected Him, will be saved. It doesn't say that such a one could never "suffer loss." [/b]
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Originally posted by @eladarHebrews 3:15
Quote from the Bible please.
As it has been said: “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion."
Romans 1:28
Furthermore, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, He gave them up to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and hatred.
23 Aug 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhere does it say that God did not make them to act as they did? In Romans 2, who writes the law on the hearts of those who did not know the law?
Hebrews 3:15
As it has been said: “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion."
Romans 1:28
Furthermore, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, He gave them up to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and hatred.
Did they have the choice or did God create them that way?
23 Aug 17
Originally posted by @eladarWhy would they not have a choice even if God made them that way? You of the opinion God forces every sin in every sinner, not allowing them to walk righteously?
Where does it say that God did not make them to act as they did? In Romans 2, who writes the law on the hearts of those who did not know the law?
Did they have the choice or did God create them that way?
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Originally posted by @kellyjayI am saying that unless God specifically has mercy on you, you will not choose to follow him. Of course you may believe that you do, but your belief does not make it so.
Why would they not have a choice even if God made them that way? You of the opinion God forces every sin in every sinner, not allowing them to walk righteously?
Being a sinner is our natural state.
23 Aug 17
Originally posted by @eladarYou would know who these people are how?
I am saying that unless God specifically has mercy on you, you will not choose to follow him. Of course you may believe that you do, but your belief does not make it so.
Being a sinner is our natural state.
23 Aug 17
Originally posted by @eladarDidn't God give us sinners promises about salvation?
I am saying that unless God specifically has mercy on you, you will not choose to follow him. Of course you may believe that you do, but your belief does not make it so.
Being a sinner is our natural state.
23 Aug 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayAll sinners a chance? Perhaps you could supply a quote that says God gives all sinners a chance.
Didn't God give us sinners promises about salvation?
Paul says quite the opposite.
Romans 9
One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
23 Aug 17
Originally posted by @eladarEver heard of being born again?
I am saying that unless God specifically has mercy on you, you will not choose to follow him. Of course you may believe that you do, but your belief does not make it so.
Being a sinner is our natural state.
24 Aug 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayIt is entirely possible that every born again Chrisian (actually and not simply self professed) was created to be a born again Christian. When I say that of course I mean those whose name is in the book of life.
Ever heard of being born again?
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Originally posted by @eladarJohn 3:16 maybe you heard of that verse?
All sinners a chance? Perhaps you could supply a quote that says God gives all sinners a chance.
Paul says quite the opposite.
Romans 9
One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did ...[text shortened]... to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?