12 Aug 07
Originally posted by whodeyI don't think God has given me the authority to judge others. Maybe you think that as a Christian you have the right to do that, but I can not judge others so I don't know who has sinned and who has not.
Cast the first post. How many out there think they have never sinned or think they know someone who has never sinned?
12 Aug 07
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Originally posted by VarqaSo you think that Romans 3:23 was unfairly judging the entire world saying that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God?
I don't think God has given me the authority to judge others. Maybe you think that as a Christian you have the right to do that, but I can not judge others so I don't know who has sinned and who has not.
12 Aug 07
Originally posted by whodeyThey are different descriptions of the same road: overcome sin and live a life of truth, love, justice, compassion, etc. Any other road is death.
Sin is what seperates us from God. Would'nt you agree? Therefore, what all three religions say in regards to dealing with that sin so that we can again have right standing with God is paramount to our right standing with God. Would'nt you agree? You seem to treat the differences in their theologies regarding how we should deal with our sin as trivial even ...[text shortened]... wered.
Do you believe Christ died for our sins or are you saying he is one road of many?
Are you a follower of Jesus or of Christianity?
12 Aug 07
Whenever we insist on reading contemporary conventional usages of words back into the texts, we are essentially re-writing them. We substitute our shades of understanding for those understood by the original authors, and can thereby artificially restrict the breadth of understandings intended in the original.
The Greek word hamartia, translated as “sin,” refers to any and all human error or failing, fault or flaw, and not strictly moral wrongdoing.
If someone asks: “Have you ever sinned? Have you ever committed a moral wrong?”—I take that , in a Biblical context, as two questions, not one. (Yes, and yes—for those moral voyeurs who want to know.)
aphiemi, the Greek word most often translated as “forgive” means to release, let go, set free, exempt, discharge, put away, dissolve—even, in other Greek writings, divorce (as it is also so translated in 1st Corinthians 7:11-13).
apoluo (also translated as redeem, deliver, release, dismiss, send away) seems to be a somewhat more forceful word, meaning literally to “loose forth.” In Matthew 19:3, 7 & 8 it is translated as “divorce” (same for Mark 10:2 & 4).
12 Aug 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneSo all roads lead to God so long as they include compassion and love and justice in their message? Why then were the people in the OT condmemned by the prophets for worshiping Baal. After all, the terms Baal means Lord. Why then get so bent out of shape over the distinction between names of the Jewish God and of the god baal? In fact, they offered sacrifices to Baal much like they did to the God of the Bible. What was so inherintly evil about Baal worship? Were they not worshiping God in their own way?
They are different descriptions of the same road: overcome sin and live a life of truth, love, justice, compassion, etc. Any other road is death.
Are you a follower of Jesus or of Christianity?
12 Aug 07
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Originally posted by whodeyWho said "all roads lead to God so long as they include compassion and love and justice in their message?"
So all roads lead to God so long as they include compassion and love and justice in their message? Why then were the people in the OT condmemned by the prophets for worshiping Baal. After all, the terms Baal means Lord. Why then get so bent out of shape over the distinction between names of the Jewish God and of the god baal? In fact, they offered sacrifi ...[text shortened]... What was so inherintly evil about Baal worship? Were they not worshiping God in their own way?
You seem to just pull ideas out of the air that have nothing to do with truth. Do you follow the God of truth or the God of whodey?
From what I can tell, Baal was not the God of "truth, love, justice, compassion, etc". Why bring it up?
12 Aug 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWhat is the God of truth? How can you tell who he is? Why is it not Baal? I am trying to ascertain the line drawn in the sand that says, "This is the true God and this is not." Many simply say that every worship of God or a god is the same path to the real God.
Who said "all roads lead to God so long as they include compassion and love and justice in their message?"
You seem to just pull ideas out of the air that have nothing to do with truth. Do you follow the God of truth or the God of whodey?
From what I can tell, Baal was not the God of "truth, love, justice, compassion, etc". Why bring it up?
12 Aug 07
Originally posted by whodeyMy response in musical form (it's not me in the video)....
Cast the first post. How many out there think they have never sinned or think they know someone who has never sinned?
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-619825038231895003&q=martyn+joseph&total=23&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
12 Aug 07
Originally posted by whodeyI suspect that you're intentionally acting dense, but if not perhaps you should start by reading my previous posts.
What is the God of truth? How can you tell who he is? Why is it not Baal? I am trying to ascertain the line drawn in the sand that says, "This is the true God and this is not." Many simply say that every worship of God or a god is the same path to the real God.
12 Aug 07
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneLets start over shall we? I am merely trying to ascertain what the boundaries are for hearing from the one true God. Does one have to refer to the God of the Bible to be worshping the one and true God?
I suspect that you're intentionally acting dense, but if not perhaps you should start by reading my previous posts.
13 Aug 07
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Originally posted by VarqaHe will say we don't know how to read the Bible, and he will give you his interpretation to prove that Job was a sinner, to prove his point.
So you Think Math 25, ad 1 John 3:8-9 are wrong?
The Bible says Job was without sin. How do you explain that?
That what happen when someone give precedence to faith over what the scripture said.
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It is clear that Paul is the creator of the idea that every one is born sinner, he is the one who cursed the human race including Jesus himself, and our friends here are fighting to prove he was right.
Paul freed them from any commitment to GOD. He told them that GOD did evey thing for them, and they don't need to do anything. And evey human want that. So they follow him.
Imagin that, someone came and tell you that GOD died for you to make you free, and you don't have to do anything.
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EDIT: Jesus himself never talked about Adam,the original sin, or the sinning nature of human.
[ King James Version ]-[ Mt:19:14 ]-[ But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. ]
How could the children be in the kingdom of heaven while they were born in sin. Appearntly Jesus didn't believe that.