Hear the Gospel

Originally posted by epiphinehas
Nothing in my post substantiates your claim.

Seems to me that Twhitehead is saying that the only ones who truly have "faith" in Jesus are those fully trust His teachings and therefore follow the commandments of Jesus. You indicated agreement with this assertion.

Seems to me that your position that only "faith" / "belief" are required for "eternal life" / "heaven" / "salvation" would also logically require following the commandments of Jesus if you agree with Twhitehead's assertion as you indicated. How can one then be "assured" of "salvation" without following the commandments of Jesus? Until one fully trusts the teachings of Jesus and follows the commandments of Jesus there is no "faith" and hence there is no "assurance".

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Seems to me that Twhitehead is saying that the only ones who truly have "faith" in Jesus are those fully trust His teachings and therefore follow the commandments of Jesus. You indicated to agreement with this assertion.

Seems to me that your position that only "faith" / "belief" are required for "eternal life" / "heaven" / "salvation" would also logi ...[text shortened]... ommandments of Jesus there is no "faith" and hence there is no "assurance".

How can one then be "assured" of "salvation" without following the commandments of Jesus?---ToO--------


Surely the question is the other way round.

How can one follow the commandments of Jesus without being assured of salvation?

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Seems to me that Twhitehead is saying that the only ones who truly have "faith" in Jesus are those fully trust His teachings and therefore follow the commandments of Jesus. You indicated agreement with this assertion.

Seems to me that your position that only "faith" / "belief" are required for "eternal life" / "heaven" / "salvation" would also logical ...[text shortened]... ommandments of Jesus there is no "faith" and hence there is no "assurance".

Exactly. Its like saying to Christ :

"If you tell me Im saved, then I will follow your commandments"

Lol ..

Originally posted by knightmeister
How can one then be "assured" of "salvation" without following the commandments of Jesus?---ToO--------


Surely the question is the other way round.

How can one follow the commandments of Jesus without being assured of salvation?

By humbly obeying his "Lord". By humbly taking the commandments of his "Lord" as his own.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Exactly. Its like saying to Christ :

"If you tell me Im saved, then I will follow your commandments"

Lol ..

Raj anyone who states at the outset that the wages of sin is death (eternal torment????? i don't think so) and then proceeds to list a whole plethora of scriptural references to determine that hell is a literal place needs his bum felt, just to make sure that hes really alive and not a figment of his own imagination!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Raj anyone who states at the outset that the wages of sin is death (eternal torment????? i don't think so) and then proceeds to list a whole plethora of scriptural references to determine that hell is a literal place needs his bum felt, just to make sure that hes really alive and not a figment of his own imagination!

I agree.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I agree.

lol, Raj, how i have missed the debate with you and jaywill and those airheads knightmeister and thinkofone etc, i promised jaywill something of the richman and lazarus way back, should incite some controversy and lively debate, we shall see - regards Robert.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
lol, Raj, how i have missed the debate with you and jaywill and those airheads knightmeister and thinkofone etc, i promised jaywill something of the richman and lazarus way back, should incite some controversy and lively debate, we shall see - regards Robert.

This is interesting. How'd you manage to roll me in with jaywill and knightmeister? Our views are about as far apart as you can get.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
This is interesting. How'd you manage to roll me in with jaywill and knightmeister? Our views are about as far apart as you can get.

i dunno, i just linked all the airheads together 😛, na only kidding, sorry if you are not one of them, really, these were just some of the names that i could remember, however, on second thoughts, na you deserve to be lumped in with them considering your comments on the 'perfect', thread😀

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i dunno, i just linked all the airheads together 😛, na only kidding, sorry if you are not one of them, really, these were just some of the names that i could remember, however, on second thoughts, na you deserve to be lumped in with them considering your comments on the 'perfect', thread😀

lol. Looking back, it seems it was your views that were in line with the "airheads" on that topic. I'd think that would at least give you pause. 🙂

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
lol. Looking back, it seems it was your views that were in line with the "airheads" on that topic. I'd think that would at least give you pause. 🙂

lol, hehe, just messin! however Raj, myself and Nemiseo, stood like solid rooks of truth on that thread, brothers in arms, cutting our way through misconception and blatant fabrication, swordsmen, handling the word of truth aright, well at least Nemiseo did!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
lol, hehe, just messin! however Raj, myself and Nemiseo, stood like solid rooks of truth on that thread, brothers in arms, cutting our way through misconception and blatant fabrication, swordsmen, handling the word of truth aright, well at least Nemiseo did!

lol. Well, it seemed he liked to think he was on the side of truth. However, his arguments proved otherwise. What's interesting is that "salvation by righteousness" is to "salvation by works" as "salvation by works" is to "salvation by grace". In both cases, the less restrictive side seems to be fueled by a desire for inclusion that keeps one from being objective. There seems to be an abandonment of explicit statements by Jesus for "signs" that are inferred, teachings from other than Jesus, personal perspective, etc.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Exactly. Its like saying to Christ :

"If you tell me Im saved, then I will follow your commandments"

Lol ..

If you believe in Christ, you will follow his teachings, right?

Right.

If you believe in Christ, you will also rest assured that you are saved, since Jesus said, "He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life" (John 5:24).

Is Christ lying here?

No.

Therefore, if you believe in Christ enough that you follow his teachings, then you will also rest assured of your salvation.

Comprende?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Raj anyone who states at the outset that the wages of sin is death (eternal torment????? i don't think so) and then proceeds to list a whole plethora of scriptural references to determine that hell is a literal place needs his bum felt, just to make sure that hes really alive and not a figment of his own imagination!

If hell doesn't exist, then what was Jesus talking about when he warned people about it? Was Jesus imagining things? Was He merely exaggerating when He spoke of eternal torment and everlasting life? If hell is imaginary, is heaven also imaginary?

You and Raj have a lot of explaining to do.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
lol, Raj, how i have missed the debate with you and jaywill and those airheads knightmeister and thinkofone etc, i promised jaywill something of the richman and lazarus way back, should incite some controversy and lively debate, we shall see - regards Robert.

Whether or not you agree with knightmeister or thinkofone, you have no right to call either of them airheads. I've had discussions with both and I find your characterization woefully inaccurate.

What is plain is that your theology is as corrupt as your "Christlikeness".

Where is your fruit? Where are your grapes and figs? Or are you merely a thornbush and a thistle?