"Hell shaming" & "No eternal Son"

Do you need, Divegeester, one concept to support the other?
Is the "Hell shaming" you carry out another side of the concept of "No eternal Son of God?"

I am not sure, but I wonder. I wonder if there is a relationship between a Divegeesters teaching that the Son of God is not eternal AND the desire to "hell shame" Christians who believe, say, Revelatin 20:15.

Perhaps there is no connection. But I am beginning to suspect that there might be with what I call the "Hell shaming" of Divegeester who likes to accuse some Christians of "loving" eternal punishment.

I don't need to do anything but wait. I am going to explore if there is a connection with Divegeester:

1.) The eternal Son must be gotten rid of.
2.) The eternal punishment must be gotten rid of.

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@divegeester

I will save all time on responding to any substance, if some be forthcoming.

@sonship said
1.) The eternal Son must be gotten rid of.
2.) The eternal punishment must be gotten rid of.

Divegeester, occasionally when checking omments I come across you saying a few Christians here love torturing alive forever by God.

You have not simply placed before us why you do not believe in eternal judgment.
This is not good enough. You have to "hell shame" those who take the fearsome warnings of the Bible along with the encredible comfort it offers.

"You terrible sadistic person and your sadistic version of Jesus. Shame."

I have stood up to your hell shaming.
Other posters express doubt in conscious punishment. But there are less combative.
You engage in "hell shaming" those who see eternal salvation saving from eternal punishment.

I wonder if these two are two sides of one matter - no eternal judgment and no eternal Son of God.

I wonder. You may help me to find out about what I wonder about here.
I will examine if there is a connection in the two matters you express STRONG disagreement with.

@sonship said
I will examine if there is a connection in the two matters you express STRONG disagreement with.

@sonship said
Divegeester, occasionally when checking omments I come across you saying a few Christians here love torturing alive forever by God.

@sonship said
Perhaps there is no connection. But I am beginning to suspect that there might be with what I call the "Hell shaming" of Divegeester who likes to accuse some Christians of "loving" eternal punishment.

@FMF

I believe that unreconciled to God is something no BEING period should want.

Revelation 20:15 says that whoever's name was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. There is no way for me to imagine ANY possible desireable or positive aspect of that REGARDLESS of the physics, natural, supernatural, understandable or not understandable details.

It is abundantly obvious that said "lake of fire" to what ever allegorical or literal level of meaning it has, is NOT to be wanted - PERIOD.

It is written so that it is impossible to misunderstand.
The result of not having one's name recorded in "the book of life" is the worst thing that a being could have happen to them.

Hell shaming and crying out "billions and billions" and speaking of sadism and alledged divine injustice have no effect on me about this.

A being must be reconciled to God.
Not reconciled to God, not having the name written in "the book of life" is nothing good. Nothing good can be derived from it. NO wiggling, no twisting, no arguing about science or protesting about God's monsterous behavior (so called) has any effect.

"And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire." (Rev. 20:15) We must be reconciled to the God of life.

@sonship said
@FMF

I believe that unreconciled to God is something no BEING period should want.

Revelation 20:15 says that whoever's name was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. There is no way for me to imagine ANY possible desireable or positive aspect of that REGARDLESS of the physics, natural, supernatural, understandable or not understandabl ...[text shortened]... ife, he was cast into the lake of fire." (Rev. 20:15)[/b] We must be reconciled to the God of life.

@fmf said
Do you think divegeester might be demonic or a willing servant of "Satan"?

@fmf said
You have described eternal torture as the "perfect morality" and as the "glorification" of Jesus. What's not to love, from your point of view?

What I wonder about without chasing off after red herrings, is is there a connection in divegeester's mind with:

The need to deny the eternal Son of God and eternal judgment that the Son of God spoke of?

I wonder if he has to destroy one to destroy the other concept.
Maybe I am wrong. But I am beginning to wonder.

Hell shaming:

Luke 9:26 -

For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. (ESV)

Which are the words of Jesus I should be ashamed of Divegeester in His addressing the subject of eternal punishment? There are multiple instances of Jesus speaking to the matter (among the OTHER things He spoke to).

Which words out of the mouth of the Son of God are you insisting I should be ashamed of?

Should I be ashamed of these words?

"Then He will say also to tyhose on the left, Go away from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels." (Matt. 25:41)

""And these shall go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (v.46)

Are these words of Jesus words I should be ashamed of?

To Divegeester, the "hell shamer."

Should I as a follower of Jesus be ashamed of His words in Matt. 25:32-46 ?