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What a wonderful “Jesus is flowing through me” philosophy that is.
So a person who believes Revelation 20:15 cannot possibly be one who experiences Christ's teaching in John 7:38,39 ?
These two concepts are mutually exclusive to you?
IE. Whoever believes in eternal punishment cannot have the Holy Spirit ever flowing out of their innermost being as rivers of living water according to the Lord's teachinbg?
You have to CHOOSE one or the other ?
Where is your ground for teaching that no one who believes in eternal judgment can possibly have the Holy Spirit ?
@sonship saidI’ve never said this, you are making it up.
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Where is your ground for teaching that no one who believes in eternal judgment can possibly have the Holy Spirit ?
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DIvegeester implies that no Christian believing in the foundational teaching of eternal judgment can have Jesus as the Spirit of life flowing out of his innermost being.
Here "eternal judgment" is counted as one of a number of foundartional concepts in Christian belief:
" . . . not lahying again a FOUNDATION of repentance from dead works,
and of faith in God, of the teaching of baptisms
and of the laying on of hands,
of the resurrection of the dead
and of eternal judgment." (Hebrew3s 6:1b,2)
"Eternal judgment" is described as foundational with faith in God and resurrection and repentance and baptism etc. etc..
Where is Divegeester's proof that those who hold to this foundational teaching of "eternal judgment" CANNOT have the Spirit of Jesus as the life giving Holy Spirit indwelling them and flowing in them?
Divegeester, present YOUR evidence that the two characteristics are mutually exclusive in the Christian experience.
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What with accusing me of being under the influence of demons and all.
That is correct.
I think the idea of wanting to teach there is no eternal Son of God is possibly the
influence of a doctrine of demons.
Are you above being influenced by such a doctrine of demons?
I would not brag that I could never be so deceived.
What I am interested in is is there a connection between THIS need to rob Jesus of being the Eternal Son of God AND the need to accuse believers in eternal judgment as sadists.
@sonship saidIn the Middle Ages it was people with the mindset you are displaying here who used to burn dissenters at the stake.
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What with accusing me of being under the influence of demons and all.
That is correct.
I think the idea of wanting to teach there is no eternal Son of God is possibly the influence of a doctrine of demons.
@sonship saidIs this giving you the religionist's equivalent of an election?
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I think the idea of wanting to teach there is no eternal Son of God is possibly the
influence of a doctrine of demons.
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In the Middle Ages it was people with the mindset you are displaying here who used to burn dissenters at the stake.
In 2022 AD a false teacher can be deceived by a doctrine of demons.
"But the Spirit says expressely that in the later times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and teachings of demons." (1 Tim. 4:1)
What someone did in the Middle Ages doesn't make you exempt from the possibility, as handy as "guilt by association" to those excusing themselves can be at times.
I think teaching the Son of God is not eternal is evidence of something seriously wrong and steering you away from the Bible. You should drop the concept whatever its influence was.