Oh Philikalia.
Of what I explained about Peter willfully following Satan and expressing Satan - do you understand what was explained from Matthew 16?
I don't want to just gage this by the response of an atheist whose vested interest is to dismiss the Scripture entirely. Perhaps FMF only cares to protect his sinful and godless self.
Does what I explain make sense to you ?
Sonship has once again dug himself into a prideful hole and is now busily constructing a ladder.
It is obvious that in the Bible a seeker of God even a Christian can lapse into following willfully the opposition party - Satan. The young widows of whom Paul wrote Timothy about "turned aside to Satan".
That doesn't mean it was their end. It was an episode of Christian willfully turning aside to the following of Satan.
This is obvious.
Expressions of surprise over this is like saying backsliding cannot occur to a Christian.
It is a ridiculous proposition to assume that a man regenerated cannot still follow the old nature which is under the influence of Satan.
You can brag about my running away. But I give time to explain your questions.
The problem with some of my explanations YOU do not enumerate. You opt instead for mere boasting. It is not particularly impressive.
Show me where I err in 1 Tim. 5:15 Show me.
Show me where I err in Matthew 16 concerning Peter willfully expressing the thoughts of Satan and following Satan.
I don't think you are able to show me. I think you opt instead for bragging.
@FMF
This is whack-a-mole.
(Now I have this other problem over here. And I have this OTHER problem over there. Deal with this. Deal with that one now.)
This is playing whack-a-mole.
Do you understand what I wrote about Peter?
If you cannot grasp it just say so.
I don't expect you to ADMIT that saying you really understand it would make you feel comfortable.
@fmf saidMore boasting and posturing. I am not impressed.
I think you were doing some self-sanctified improv, fell in a hole, and tried to waffle your way out.
If you cannot understand what I explained just say so.
@sonship saidThere is no boasting. There is no posturing. It isn't difficult to understand what you're saying.
More boasting and posturing. I am not impressed. If you cannot understand what I explained just say so.
Let's try an experiment, shall we? The next time you come to the forum and intend to be a willing follower of "Satan", just say so in advance.
You'll be doing it because you'll be willing right? And you will be consciously doing [what you see as] "Satan's" bidding, right?
So, go for it.
Tell everybody in advance, so that people can see what you are willing to write when you are being a willing follower of "Satan".
Divigeester, if it is so obviously waffle and so obviously that I do not address the problem then analysis why using the very same texts.
I want some substance rather than simple jeers " O he fell into a hole. O he is waffling. O he is embarressing himself."
Put up or just shut up.
Go through Matthew 16 and First Timothy 5 and prove why my explanation doesn't amount to a Christian lapsing into the error of backsliding and willfully following Satan.
Show us!
There is no boasting. There is no posturing. It isn't difficult to understand what you're saying.
Sounds like World Wrestling type of bragging to me.
(Tag team style, I might add)
Let's try an experiment, shall we? The next time you come to the forum and intend to be a willing follower of "Satan", just say so in advance.
Nope. You asked how in the world can a Christian be a willful follower of Satan.
I showed you two instances.
Case closed.
You'll be doing it because you'll be willing right? And you will be consciously doing [what you see as] "Satan's" bidding, right?
Nope tricky dick.
You asked how can a Christian be a willful follower of Satan.
I gave you two examples from the New Testament answering your question.
No tricky dick. I am not interested your invitation to navel gaze.
So, go for it. [quote]
You go for it.
If you have an accusation to make, make one.
[quote]
Tell everybody in advance, so that people can see what you are willing to write when you are being a willing follower of "Satan".
Tricky but not necessary.
If you want to develop an accusation based on what I showed you from Matthew 16 and First Timothy 5 you do it. "Come help me" ? Nope.
@sonship saidNothing of the sort.
Sounds like World Wrestling type of bragging to me.
Give us an example of a post or sequence of posts when you think you were willingly doing "Satan's" bidding.
And then give us an example of a comparable post or sequence of posts when you were willingly doing Jesus' bidding.
@FMF
No.
If you want to maneuver around like a great debater and use my answer against
me, you certainly have that prerogative. I expect it.
Its not constructive for me to dwell on it.
It is of no value to me.
It is introspection that I do not feel has value.
The battle ground of spiritual warfare is in man.
We ourselves are the main battlefield.
Effected is the universe.
This is not an easy concept to get.
The battle ground is man's being and we can actively side with God or we can passively side with His enemy.
That is all for this post.
You seem happy enough to talk about how you are becoming more and more like Jesus.
Of course!
I do not have to be neutral about this.
I can have PREFERENCE toward salvation.
You're thinking too hard.
You are not obligated to be neutral and objective about being SAVED and in God's will hoping in His salvation. You can have preference to God and His love and salvation.
Why do you think concerning God and Satan you owe it to anyone to be on the fence objectively ascertaining the situation with "fair and balanced" detachment?
Are you afraid that WANTING to be saved may cloud your wisdom ?
OF COURSE I would rather talk about the salvation of Christ rather than boast about the Devil's work to destroy man and oppose God.