Honest Self-Criticism

@FMF

Give us an example of a post or sequence of posts when you think you were willingly doing "Satan's" bidding.

I already gave you one. I explained how I think my backslidden days MAY have started.

I gave you that example.
"Tell us more failures" you now say.

Is it gossip you're looking for?

@sonship said
Is it gossip you're looking for?

No. I'm looking for coherent statements of fact, to your way of thinking anyway, that constitute examples of you consciously choosing to do "Satan's" bidding here on this forum. I am not interested in "gossip".

@sonship said
Are you afraid that WANTING to be saved may cloud your wisdom ?

You mean me being "afraid" of the stuff you talk about? Is that what you mean?

@sonship said
"Tell us more failures" you now say.

When you lashed out and called Ghost of a Duke a "stinky leper" for running rings around you in a debate, was that an example of you willingly following "Satan"?

@fmf said
Oh well. Then on this topic, with this question, It will remembered as you running away in a cloud of waffle, not for the first time. If the thousands and thousands of people reading this thread think I am mischaracterizing it, so be it.

Haha.

@sonship said
@divegeester
It is obvious that in the Bible a seeker of God even a Christian can lapse into following willfully the opposition party - Satan. The young widows of whom Paul wrote Timothy about "turned aside to Satan".

That doesn't mean it was their end. It was an episode of Christian willfully turning aside to the following of Satan.

This is obvious.

E ...[text shortened]... nd following Satan.

I don't think you are able to show me. I think you opt instead for bragging.

If you are comfortable with the notion of you willingly following Satan while you simultaneously have Jesus flowing through then good for you.

It’s just error after error after error.

@sonship said
Divigeester, if it is so obviously waffle and so obviously that I do not address the problem then analysis why using the very same texts.

I want some substance rather than simple jeers " O he fell into a hole. O he is waffling. O he is embarressing himself."

Put up or just shut up.
Go through Matthew 16 and First Timothy 5 and prove why my explanation doesn't am ...[text shortened]... t to a Christian lapsing into the error of backsliding and willfully following Satan.

Show us!

No!

I’ve firstly given you the scripture to analyse. I’m waiting for you to do so.

@fmf said
sonship, when was the last time you posted something or behaved in a certain way here because you were consciously following "Satan" and because that was what you wanted to do?

Checkmate, I think.

@sonship said
Philokalia if you are around tell me if what I explained about a Christian lapsing into willfully following Satan makes sense to you.

Please be honest.

Why are you asking Philokalia?

He knows less about the Bible than most people here and will probably respond with some waffle of his own about St Penis of Antioch who sat up a tree for 40 years compiling poems and prophesying about healing raindrops and Nazi philosophers.

@divegeester said
Checkmate, I think.

Man! I wish I could win all my chess games that easy!

When you get tired just retort - "Checkmate!"

Move over Garry Kasparov.

@sonship saidWhen you get tired just retort - "Checkmate!"

Tired? Of what?

@divegeester

If you are comfortable with the notion of you willingly following Satan while you simultaneously have Jesus flowing through then good for you.

I never said I was "comfortable" any expression of oldness with the process of transformation. Transformation necessarily entailing that one is moving from one expression more into the other.

This is your dishonest characteristic - a Christian being "comfortable" with the inevitable fact that we are putting OFF one expression and putting ON the other throughout the Christian life.

"That you put off, as regards your former manner of life, the old man, which is being corrupted according to the lusts of the deceit,

And that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind and put on the new man, which was created according to God in righteousness and holiness of the reality." (Eph. 4:22-24)

Sanctification during the whole course of the Christian life is a matter of simultaneously PUTTING OFF and PUTTING ON.

That is PUTTING OFF the devil's expression in the old man and PUTTING ON the new man by renewal, sanctification, and transformation. Are you proud that you are adept at making twisted innuendos to caricature Christians growing spiritually?

@sonship said
@divegeester

If you are comfortable with the notion of you willingly following Satan while you simultaneously have Jesus flowing through then good for you.

I never said I was "comfortable" any expression of oldness with the process of transformation.

I never said you did say it.