@sonship saidAs I see it, Jesus has been dead for 2,000 years. On this message board, I offer my beliefs up for scrutiny and I apply scrutiny to the beliefs of others.
Your job is argue that Jesus is dead and can be of no possible effect on a man today.
I have never claimed that the mythology surrounding Jesus "can be of no possible effect on a man today".
However, a lot of things that you claim about yourself ~ and a supposedly "living" Christ ~ sound either far-fetched or incoherent.
It's par for the course that this would become what constitutes the comings and goings on a message board.
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@fmf saidBecause like the natural life, the new imparted spiritual life does not mature instantaneously.
If Jesus = your moral compass and you don't have your own because it has been "supernaturally" replaced, why then would you sometimes be a willing follower of "Satan"?
Birth is a BEGINNING.
To be born again embarks the believer on a life long process of learning to live another way BESIDES following Satan.
One learns to be trained by God's grace to live another way.
It takes time.
It takes practice.
It takes patience.
"For the grace of God, bringing salvation to all men, has appeared.
TRAINING us that , denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly and righteously and godly in the present age.
Awaiting the blessed hope, even the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ." (Titus 2:11-13)
TRAINING takes time.
TRAINING takes trial and error.
There is no instantaneous maturity in the Christian life AS SOON as one is regenerated.
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@divegeester saidThe ball is still in my court.
Your immature and clumsy evasiveness like this makes me cringe.
You insisted on it.
Wait your turn.
@sonship saidBut I have my own moral compass, I don't claim it has been supernaturally replaced, and yet I am not a "willing follower" of any evil being ["willing" obviously implies that I must also believe in this being], and I don't do "Satanic" things.
Because like the natural life, the new imparted spiritual life does not mature instantaneously.
@divegeester said@sonship
Since you believe in once saved always saved; were you willingly under the influence of Satan when you stole from your friend that time?
This is a question which goes right to the heart of your truth claims about yourself. It’s just a simple question and one which you should be able to comfortably answer.
@sonship saidFirst, you claim your own moral compass has been replaced. You also claim "Another life [i.e. Jesus] has been supernaturally dispensed into my being." And now you're talking about something different: "training"?
TRAINING takes time.
TRAINING takes trial and error.
There is no instantaneous maturity in the Christian life AS SOON as one is regenerated.
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Folks are you reading along?
I said that I became backslidden when I did not take care of my conscience as a very young Christian. I said that I THINK it started with a memorable event in which I did not resist the temptation to steal from my friend.
These fellas are trying to milk that confession for all they can get out of it.
"Why would you steal from your friend ???"
"I mean atheists don't do that. Bad Christian!"
Isn't this rather sick? Don't look now but plenty of people of God fell on occasion. The Bible is perfectly CANDID about that - I mean from the failure of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, the denial of Peter to his Master.
People of faith fall at times. And then if they are smart the get up, learn and continue. For the Christian regenerated in the spirit he learns that he cannot trust himself a bit.
@sonship saidWow BRAND NEW DOCTRINE! From sonship.
To be born again embarks the believer on a life long process of learning to live another way BESIDES following Satan.
A Christian can be a follower of Jesus AND a follower of Satan.
You read it here first folks!
Except....
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Oops.