25 Jul 14
Originally posted by KellyJayWhy would your god make people who it would know before they were created, that they were destined for the alleged hell?
Anyone can profess to be a Christian, they can profess to be a hamburger
too and even live at BurgerKing, but going to or living at BurgerKing
does not make anyone a hamburger any more than just going to church
makes anyone a Christian as the old saying goes. Jesus knows His own,
God gives the Holy Spirit to those that belong to Him. You can blow off
a ...[text shortened]... ght was worthy of your devotion, than who am I
that you would care one wit what I think?
Kelly
Why wouldn't it just NOT make those people instead and avoid a huge energy cost at the very least?
25 Jul 14
Originally posted by FMFI also am not trying to prove to you I am either. As I point out Christ knows
Yes everyone knows that you profess to be a Christian. What I was saying is that, according to the same reasoning you use on me, we do not yet know whether you are one.
and I'm good with that, people can make all the claims they want. In the
end Jesus will separate the sheep the goats.
Kelly
25 Jul 14
Originally posted by sonhouseDon't know why God did what He did, ask Him.
Why would your god make people who it would know before they were created, that they were destined for the alleged hell?
Why wouldn't it just NOT make those people instead and avoid a huge energy cost at the very least?
Kelly
25 Jul 14
Originally posted by KellyJayOnce again I don't fundamentally disagree with what you posted. But once again nothing of what you posted addresses my point of you believing in a version of god who has created a place where he can and will watch billions of people being tortured for all eternity.
I don't think anyone will enjoy watching anyone suffer in Hell.
I think it will pain God greatly that any let alone *most* end up in Hell,
and His love for them will cause Him great harm as they end up there.
What I'm calling justice is every deed will be accounted for, ever word
will be accounted for. Nothing is going to be over looked, all debts w ...[text shortened]... face God's wrath, will see no mercy I don't believe God mixes
those two at judgment day.
Kelly
Where will you be while all this is going on?
25 Jul 14
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Originally posted by KellyJayCan you explain specifically (not just, "I'm a sinner" ) what you have done in your life that would warrant you being placed in a flesh melting incinerator for all eternity?
I love Jesus, He died for me, I lay my life in His hands. His will be done,
I know I deserve Hell, my only hope is Christ.
Kelly
25 Jul 14
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Originally posted by divegeesterIt demonstrates how simple it is to start off with one false doctrine and then a string of more ridiculous false ones follow.
I have to say I find all this absolutely fascinating and horrifying in equal measure.
The first one is the very old and heathen doctrine borrowed from other religions that the soul is immortal. The Bible says no such thing, rather Christ says that God can and will kill both body and soul. But the Bible is used to 'prove' it... as follows:
Man is made in Gods image. God is immortal. Therefore man's soul is immortal.
Mans soul goes back to God. God is immortal. Therefore the soul must also be immortal.
Since the soul is immortal then the lake of fire cannot destroy/kill the soul. Therefore the soul will live in torment for all eternity.
I pity people who have to live with such doctrines... it must be hard.
25 Jul 14
Originally posted by divegeesterIs that what you call debunking?
Yes I've read all of your words and nowhere did any of them join up and say "if you reject Jesus you will personally burn in hell for all eternity". Or indeed anything resembling that.
I'm getting the distinct impression you are not in your right mind. Or your left!
I'm not wasting my time going around and around playing games with you concerning what the Word of God says about anything just so you can obfuscate the whole discussion.
Don't expect another reply.
25 Jul 14
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Originally posted by josephwI didn't use the term debunking in that post about your post, stop being disingenuous.
Is that what you call debunking?
I'm getting the distinct impression you are not in your right mind. Or your left!
I'm not wasting my time going around and around playing games with you concerning what the Word of God says about anything just so you can obfuscate the whole discussion.
Don't expect another reply.
So let's see, because I disagree with you and am challenging you on why you believe what you believe, I'm "out of my mind".
I'm not obfuscatiing at all; what you believe is a very extreme notion of gods justice. Horrendously extreme. I'm asking you to demonstrate unequivocally in scripture that those who do not believe in Christ will as a punishment for that, be roasted in a flesh melting inferno for all eternity.
I'm not contending that there is a hell described as a lake of fire, or that there is a second death. Do you understand me?
25 Jul 14
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Originally posted by KellyJayIndeed, you say "people can make all the claims they want". So just to be clear rather than wishy washy, do you claim to be a Christian? Do myou concede that, if later you lose you faith, the claim you make now will have been untrue?
I also am not trying to prove to you I am either. As I point out Christ knows
and I'm good with that, people can make all the claims they want. In the
end Jesus will separate the sheep the goats.
25 Jul 14
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“There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way'" -C.S. Lewis. "Religion is the fashionable substitute for belief." -Oscar Wilde. "Everything you add to the truth subtracts from the truth. When truth is discovered by someone else, it loses something of its attractiveness." -Alexander Solzhenitsyn. In chess and life, "The truth will set you free but first it will piss you off." -M. Pancoast
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Note: The older you get the more unlearning is required to learn; and it's damn painful, because it entails admitting to yourself that you had it sideways or backwards wrong all those years. The moment of truth is nonetheless desirable.
25 Jul 14
Originally posted by Rajk999That is a general problem with doctrine. What I find hilarious and sad at the same time is the number of people who see it in other peoples doctrine but not their own.
It demonstrates how simple it is to start off with one false doctrine and then a string of more ridiculous false ones follow.