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Originally posted by Grampy Bobbydoes it need to be immortal to do that?
Executive Summary; The thinking part of the brain, your immortal soul, plays a major role in resolving the pre-historic angelic conflict,
which entered the appeal phase in Eden when two love birds screwed up and got their sorry, depraved butts booted out of the park.
Note: Time to get back to my 'Idea Factory' in the general forum. Thanks for the conversation. Enjoyed being with you and FMF. Later...
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYou really need to take a few more seconds to make your posts clear.
All others are manmade. No. His focus is on rational elimination of alternatives.
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So that was a "no" to the question "do you think pascals wager is a good argument"?
EDIT: ALL god's are man made, and the point of phrasing the question that way was
that pascals wager assumes as a starting point that the options are between no god
and the Christian god. (or the god of whoever is posing pascals wager)
Given that the point of the argument is to convince someone who doesn't believe in
any god to believe in a specific god you need to justify why your god and not any other
god/s.
That your god exists is what you are trying to convince me/us of...
It's not something you get to assume/assert.
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Originally posted by googlefudge"Do you think pascals wager is a good/valid argument for the existence of your god?"
You really need to take a few more seconds to make your posts clear.
So that was a "no" to the question "do you think pascals wager is a good argument"?
GF, please quote other poster's sentences in their entirety. Context matters. This charade would be laughable if the consequences of getting it all wrong wern't so serious.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIf I am going to live forever (assuming for one second that you were correct and I did/believed
11 Dec '12 09:49 :: 1 edit
Originally posted by stellspalfie
"whats the point of an immortal soul?"
[b]Mortal: You die (your physical body decomposes to rot in the ground); Immortal: You (the real you, your soul) lives forever.
-[/b]
all the things you think I need to do to go to heaven) then heaven must be somewhere I would
want to live in forever...
Can you tell me what heaven is like?
And why I might like to spend an infinite amount of time there?
If I discover after a period of time that actually I don't like heaven can I leave?
If I get fed up with existence can I chose to cease existing?
Or would I be forced to spend an eternity in heaven or hell essentially and my choice is simply
what kind of torture I pick for all eternity?
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyOh for crying out loud I did quote you exactly and completely.
"Do you think pascals wager is a good/valid argument for the existence of your god?"
GF, please quote other poster's sentences in their entirety. Context matters. This charade would be laughable if the consequences of getting it all wrong wern't so serious.
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I then abbreviated the question I have asked multiple times when asking if your "No" was an answer to it.
Evidently this was too complicated for you.
So lets try again. This is a yes/no question...
Do you think that 'pascals wager' is a good/valid argument for believing in and worshipping your god?
I ask this because you started in this thread by quoting pascal's talking about his wager.
EDIT: And I agree the consequences are serious. You however are the one who have got it wrong.
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"If I am going to live forever (assuming for one second that you were correct and I did/believed
all the things you think I need to do to go to heaven) then heaven must be somewhere I would
want to live in forever...
Can you tell me what heaven is like? No. Not revealed.
And why I might like to spend an infinite amount of time there? Separation from God forever is the alternaive.
If I discover after a period of time that actually I don't like heaven can I leave? No worries. You'll be happier than you can imagine, even without this forum.
If I get fed up with existence can I chose to cease existing? By definition, no.
Or would I be forced to spend an eternity in heaven or hell essentially and my choice is simply
what kind of torture I pick for all eternity. Destination address is the result of accepting or rejecting God's Grace gift.
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Originally posted by googlefudge11 Dec '12 18:31
Oh for crying out loud I did quote you exactly and completely.<<<
I then abbreviated the question I have asked multiple times when asking if your "No" was an answer to it.
Evidently this was too complicated for you.
So lets try again. This is a yes/no question...
Do you think that 'pascals wager' is a good/valid argument for believing i ...[text shortened]... T: And I agree the consequences are serious. You however are the one who have got it wrong.
Originally posted by googlefudge
You really need to take a few more seconds to make your posts clear.
So that was a "no" to the question "do you think pascals wager is a good argument"?<<< Your sentence.
"Do you think pascals wager is a good/valid argument for the existence of your god?""<<<Original sentence
GF, please quote other poster's sentences in their entirety. Context matters. This charade would be laughable if the consequences of getting it all wrong wern't so serious.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieGuidance is great, but I want the ability to accept or reject advice without the other party claiming I'm going against some divine mandate, when really it's just their opinion.
What if the discourse is deep and meaningful and has practical application in life? One should be thankful for guidance.
What if that morality acts especially as a protection against unwholesome practices which may be essentially self destructive? One should be thankful
the Christ states that his load is light, one should be thankful
there ...[text shortened]... their conscience, one should be thankful.
It seems to me that it is a matter of perspective.
'Unwholesome' - WTF is that word even doing in your vocabulary?
So why can't I exercise my conscience when it leads to a different conclusion than someone's interpretation of the Bible?
I tried the theistic path for 20 years. I have been so much happier since I left it.
Originally posted by SwissGambitrobbie recently, after I suggested he had been evasive with regard to explaining a claim he'd made and which he ended up retracting anyway, went into a whole angry routine about whether I had drug related mental illness and whether I had been sexually abused as a child. I guess the word "unwholesome" fitted that situation, and he'd need it in his vocabulary just in case he ever chose to reflect upon his forum persona.
'Unwholesome' - WTF is that word even doing in your vocabulary?