Hyphenated Christians

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Guidance is great, but I want the ability to accept or reject advice without the other party claiming I'm going against some divine mandate, when really it's just their opinion.

'Unwholesome' - WTF is that word even doing in your vocabulary?

So why can't I exercise my conscience when it leads to a different conclusion than someone's interpretation ...[text shortened]... e?

I tried the theistic path for 20 years. I have been so much happier since I left it.

Interesting, perhaps your experience has been radically different than mine.
Unwholesome is such an excellent word, in today's moral morass of relativism, where
deviation is the norm and perversion a virtue I regularly watch little house on the
prairie to get my fix of good ol American values with which to inoculate myself. It
seems to me that the problems that you were facing was primarily caused because you
were being coerced against your will into a mold that was ill fitting and its no wonder
that it aggravated you.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
11 Dec '12 09:49 :: 1 edit
Originally posted by stellspalfie

"whats the point of an immortal soul?"

[b]Mortal: You die (your physical body decomposes to rot in the ground); Immortal: You (the real you, your soul) lives forever.
-[/b]

that doesnt answer the question. ill rephrase it - what is the purpose of living forever?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
that doesnt answer the question. ill rephrase it - what is the purpose of living forever?

to find everlasting fulfillment.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
to find everlasting fulfillment.

how are we going to become fulfilled and how is it going to last forever and whats the point in it lasting forever?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
to find everlasting fulfillment.

This "everlasting fulfillment", that you tell yourself there is, is it a permanent and absolute state - an 'unincreasable' or 'undecreasable' state of fulfillment [so to speak] - or does the quest for fulfillment go on for ever?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
how are we going to become fulfilled and how is it going to last forever and whats the point in it lasting forever?

I don't think he's going to offer any "empirical evidence" of any of this having ever happened to anyone or that it ever will.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
how are we going to become fulfilled and how is it going to last forever and whats the point in it lasting forever?

Argumentum ad nauseam

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Argumentum ad nauseam

As I thought.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Argumentum ad nauseam

very much like repeating 'there is a god' over and over again, until you believe it.

but i guess you have to, the minute you stop and think about it, it all falls apart.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
11 Dec '12 18:31
Originally posted by googlefudge
You really need to take a few more seconds to make your posts clear.

So that was a "no" to the question [b]"do you think pascals wager is a good argument"?<<< Your sentence.

"Do you think pascals wager is a good/valid argument for the existence of your god?""<<<Original sentence

GF, ple e would be laughable if the consequences of getting it all wrong wern't so serious.
-[/b]

Oh for crying out loud I did quote you exactly and completely.

I then abbreviated the question I have asked you multiple times when asking if your "No" was an answer to it.
Evidently this was too complicated for you.

So lets try again.

This is a yes/no question...

Do you think that 'pascals wager' is a good/valid argument for believing in and worshipping your god?

I ask this because you started in this thread by quoting pascal talking about his wager.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"If I am going to live forever (assuming for one second that you were correct and I did/believed
all the things you think I need to do to go to heaven) then heaven must be somewhere I would
want to live in forever...

Can you tell me what heaven is like? [b]No. Not revealed.
And why I might like to spend an infinite amount of time there? ...[text shortened]... y. [b]Destination address is the result of accepting or rejecting God's Grace gift.
-[/b][/b]

Can you tell me what heaven is like? No. Not revealed.

Well given that I can't imagine or devise ANYWHERE I would like to spend and INFINITE amount of time,
if you can't tell my what heaven is like I am not interested.

If you want to sell heaven as a great place to spend eternity then you damn well better have specifics.

And why I might like to spend an infinite amount of time there? Separation from God forever is the [alternative].

Well you just made your position even worse because your god if real and as described in the bible, it is despicable and evil. And if I can't
kill it then being separated from it is the next best thing.

If I discover after a period of time that actually I don't like heaven can I leave? No worries. You'll be happier than you can imagine,
even without this forum.

I don't believe/trust you.

I can't imagine anywhere where that could possibly be true.

If I get fed up with existence can I chose to cease existing? By definition, no.

Then I am not interested in going somewhere I can never leave.

Or would I be forced to spend an eternity in heaven or hell essentially and my choice is simply
what kind of torture I pick for all eternity. Destination address is the result of accepting or rejecting God's Grace gift.

Your god if real and as described in the bible is an evil [rude word] and I will not be accepting anything from it.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
very much like repeating 'there is a god' over and over again, until you believe it.

but i guess you have to, the minute you stop and think about it, it all falls apart.

yeah right, one look at my wifes beautiful face and to conclude that there is no God is insane.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yeah right, one look at my wifes beautiful face and to conclude that there is no God on
that basis is insane.

Your jump from your looking at your "wife's beautiful face" to you claiming that there is an immortal human state of "everlasting fulfillment" is something you need to substantiate.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
11 Dec '12 09:49 :: 1 edit
Originally posted by stellspalfie

"whats the point of an immortal soul?"

[b]Mortal: You die (your physical body decomposes to rot in the ground); Immortal: You (the real you, your soul) lives forever.
-[/b]

The soul that sinneth, it shall die,

Ezekiel...18:20.

So according to your good book,

your soul is not immortal.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yeah right, one look at my wifes beautiful face and to conclude that there is no God is insane.

why?