I am FabianFnas

Originally posted by KellyJay
It had NOTHING to do with him being a theist or not, you didn't see one
word in that statement about God from me. If you declare you'd never
accept something as true, you put up walls now that would prohibit you
from ever accepting that your wrong. That could be true about evolution,
age of earth, God, or any other topic that gets discussed here. I don' ...[text shortened]... on as soon as you dig in your heels you closed
yourself off, that is what you have done.
Kelly

Accepting you are wrong is not the same thing as BEING wrong. You think your god is real, we think it is a man made construct. You can accept Jesus as your particular savior and such but that does not make you right, but only right in your own mind.

Did you think this talk about universal truth was about how to make hamburgers?

Of COURSE it is about the search for the possibility of a god that interacts with humans.

My personal opinion is there is no such thing. Which is not to say I think these is no such thing as a god.

I as a tiny misshapen shriveled up ancient human think there is no such thing as a god that is interested in humans. That has been made more and more clear as my time in life goes on.

Theists think otherwise.

That is the ONLY thing theists think and your protestations of never bringing up *GOD* is bogus, because you know full well you are incapable of talking about universal truth without constant reference to the concept of your god even if unnamed.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Accepting you are wrong is not the same thing as BEING wrong. You think your god is real, we think it is a man made construct. You can accept Jesus as your particular savior and such but that does not make you right, but only right in your own mind.

Did you think this talk about universal truth was about how to make hamburgers?

Of COURSE it is about ...[text shortened]... ing about universal truth without constant reference to the concept of your god even if unnamed.

You flipped the conversation into one about my belief in God. You really
have a one track mind.
Kelly

Originally posted by sonhouse
Which is the standard reply from the theistic POV, everything a non-theist thinks HAS to be a belief, therefore keeping the mind of the theist happy in the thought that everything is the same, two sides of one coin.

The thing about belief is this: it seldom can change or change on time scales exceeding human life spans. Example: the mellowing out of the ...[text shortened]... xt decade. This century, last century, next century and so on down the long narrow road of time.

I think the fact that we don't find a 200 million year old fossilized rabbit throws evolution out. We don't find anything older than a few thousand years even if that.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Perhaps you should become a JW, because according to them it is so simple and there are no mysteries. The Watchtower has it all figured out for you.

Jou are a joker, Ron, just a joker.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I guess your statement about universal truth cannot be taken as true than
either, since you are making one? If there is a universal truth, it is not
dependent upon us to accept or reject, it will be true no matter what we
believe. To take a stand as you are DOING now only blinds you to the
chance one could be there and you REFUSE to even acknowledge it, ...[text shortened]... ld be real, it is more a faith based belief on your part the way you are
making a stand.
Kelly

This has nothing to do with religion. It has nothing to do with science. It's just me wanting to know more than I did before. Nothing more.

There are the Ultimate Truth.... Any one saying that he has the Ultimate Truth is the one *not*having the Ultimate Truth.

...and there are the personal truth. And your truth differs from mine. The truth is subjective, meaning that everyone can say he is true even if it contradicts others.

Observe that I make a difference between Truth and truth. There fore there is no universal truth, only Universal Truth.

I am happy if you have another philosophical view. I respect yours if you respect mine.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I think the fact that we don't find a 200 million year old fossilized rabbit throws evolution out. We don't find anything older than a few thousand years even if that.

When you criticize me of hijack your thread you are very upset. When you hicack my thread, then you do it as it's nothing.

Remember the word of Jesus: "Don't do against others what you don't want others do to you." But I don't think the word of Jesus means a crap. You are just not christian. It's just you and your deamons talking.

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Those fossils did not come with a date stamped or engraved on them. The date you give is just made up, nothing more.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Those fossils did not come with a date stamped or engraved on them. The date you give is just made up, nothing more.

Actually the DID come with a date stamp. The fact you refuse to believe it is your problem not ours.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Those fossils did not come with a date stamped or engraved on them. The date you give is just made up, nothing more.

Perhaps the date was encoded in the DNA by the creationist god of yours? 😀

Originally posted by FabianFnas
My alias is FabianFnas. Some of you remember me from earlier because I have been active in these forums a while ago. Newer members perhaps need an introduction.

I am brought up in a christian family and bought the whole packet. In my teens i started to think for myself and come to the conclusion that the old truths perhaps isn't the real truths at all, ...[text shortened]... Don't invite me to clans, clubs, or games. But send me a personal mail if you want, I love them!

I remember you. Your avatar used to be the Swedish flag, I think.

In Flames is a very awesome Swedish metal band (you Europeans would probably substitute "are" for "is," but whatever). 😉

Originally posted by FabianFnas
This has nothing to do with religion. It has nothing to do with science. It's just me wanting to know more than I did before. Nothing more.

There are the Ultimate Truth.... Any one saying that he has the Ultimate Truth is the one *not*having the Ultimate Truth.

...and there are the personal truth. And your truth differs from mine. The truth is subje ...[text shortened]... ruth.

I am happy if you have another philosophical view. I respect yours if you respect mine.

You can grow in knowledge forever and either believe in an Ultimate
truth or not. That truth doesn't change because you are growing in
knowledge, as I said it does not depend on you.

There is a difference between truth and opinion too.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You can grow in knowledge forever and either believe in an Ultimate
truth or not. That truth doesn't change because you are growing in
knowledge, as I said it does not depend on you.

There is a difference between truth and opinion too.
Kelly

The truth is everchanging. The Truth is never changing.
The truths are as many as there are people on our Earth. There is only one Truth.
My truth is true to me, your truth is true for you. The Truth however is true for everyone, but known for noone.

This all is according to my own definitions.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
The truth is everchanging. The Truth is never changing.
The truths are as many as there are people on our Earth. There is only one Truth.
My truth is true to me, your truth is true for you. The Truth however is true for everyone, but known for noone.

This all is according to my own definitions.

Are your truths and your opinions all the same?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Are your truths and your opinions all the same?

Clearly you think YOURS are.