03 Mar 14
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Originally posted by KingOnPointKnut is a name in Swedish. My name is Fabian, not Knut. So I really don't know why Knut is interesting in this thread.
Fabian,
"Ignorance is bliss" basically means that
what you don't know leaves you with great satisfaction
so that is on topic.
As for "Nusse" in German, it may mean, "nut" or "knut" in Sweden. Therefore, that was something you have responded to earlier either in this post or another post.
Lastly, even individual truth does not supersede, or ...[text shortened]... are right, you have gained more joy than you can have now because of all that God will give you.
If you think "Ignorance is bliss" is correct, then it is your opinion. If you don't, that's also your opinion. I don't see the relevance to this topic. You want to discuss this? Please, go ahead.
When you mention "universal truth" do you then use my definition, or are you using your own? I am very much confused of what you are trying to say. Therefore I cannot neither confirm your ideas, nor dismiss them. I just have nothing to say about it.
03 Mar 14
Originally posted by FabianFnasHe was making a ha ha joke out of your choice, Fnas. so Cnut. Meaning Nut, idiot, something like that. I bounced it back on him (he is Canadian) with he's not a cnut, he's Swedish.
In Swedish we call him Knut. And, no, I'm not Knut, whoever he is.
I was referring to what Canadians are called, Canucks, I shortened to Cnut just to deflect his intended pejorative use of Cnut=Nut.
03 Mar 14
Originally posted by sonhouseAh, I see. Okay.
He was making a ha ha joke out of your choice, Fnas. so Cnut. Meaning Nut, idiot, something like that. I bounced it back on him (he is Canadian) with he's not a cnut, he's Swedish.
I was referring to what Canadians are called, Canucks, I shortened to Cnut just to deflect his intended pejorative use of Cnut=Nut.
04 Mar 14
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Originally posted by FabianFnasI'd tell you I take God on faith, I believe God to be real to the point that it
If I ask you if god is a fact, would you say it is a truth? Or that is it mere an opinion?
People takes their opinions as truths, bloody real truths. I've heard people saying that they have the Ultimate Universal Truth. They haven’t. Of the only reason that they believe that and have an urge to tell anyone they have it.
My theory of different truths ...[text shortened]... I am always eager to find new pieces and new places for them in my personal puzzle of knowledge.
does not matter what I think, say or do, God will be real with, or without
my input. My opinions are just my opinions they change as I ponder things
and I accept and dismiss things as I think about them.
Kelly
04 Mar 14
Originally posted by KellyJaySo, just like the 3 billion other duped people sucked into an OCD life of religion.
I'd tell you I take God on faith, I believe God to be real to the point that it
does not matter what I think, say or do, God will be real with, or without
my input. My opinions are just my opinions they change as I ponder things
and I accept and dismiss things as I think about them.
Kelly
04 Mar 14
Originally posted by FabianFnasI think "Ignorance is bliss" means 'What you don't know won't bother you'... which is true. This is different than saying "What you don't know can't hurt you", because ignorance of what can happen can't protect anyone from what happens.
Knut is a name in Swedish. My name is Fabian, not Knut. So I really don't know why Knut is interesting in this thread.
If you think "Ignorance is bliss" is correct, then it is your opinion. If you don't, that's also your opinion. I don't see the relevance to this topic. You want to discuss this? Please, go ahead.
When you mention "universal truth" d ...[text shortened]... fore I cannot neither confirm your ideas, nor dismiss them. I just have nothing to say about it.
04 Mar 14
Originally posted by KellyJayI repeat what I said earlier: Whenever someone says he has the "Ultimate Truth", then I am sure he hasn't. Becuase if the Christian truths are the Ultimate Truth, then it must include snake handlers, anti-bloodtransfusionists, pope-worshipper, and Behe-idolizing. Tell us an Ultimate Truth that can include all these without watering out the truth into nothing, then you are nearer the Ultimate Truth, but still far from it.
I'd tell you I take God on faith, I believe God to be real to the point that it
does not matter what I think, say or do, God will be real with, or without
my input. My opinions are just my opinions they change as I ponder things
and I accept and dismiss things as I think about them.
Kelly
If you could tell us the second order Higgs particle energy level, it's mass and its life halftime, as well as the right for Russia to invade Krim (skip the opinions, it's the truths I am after) and something that are more than the number of integers and at the same time less than the number of reals, then you are still nearer the Ultimate Truth, but yet still far from it.
If I tell you, once more, that I will never reach the Ultimate Truth, then perhaps you will understand my theory of the big Truth better.
And perhaps you have a better theory, I am glad for you. Perhaps yours are better than mine.
04 Mar 14
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Originally posted by FabianFnasYou are still missing the point, I've told you more than once, I repeat!: it
I repeat what I said earlier: Whenever someone says he has the "Ultimate Truth", then I am sure he hasn't. Becuase if the Christian truths are the Ultimate Truth, then it must include snake handlers, anti-bloodtransfusionists, pope-worshipper, and Behe-idolizing. Tell us an Ultimate Truth that can include all these without watering out the truth into noth ...[text shortened]...
And perhaps you have a better theory, I am glad for you. Perhaps yours are better than mine.
does not matter what I think or you do when it comes to the "Ultimate
Truth" it is what it is.
Christians have faith in God, we believe, but that does bring us closer to
anything else any more than any other religion brings them closer to
anything due to what they believe?
If all that is going on is "we believe" or "we have faith" than all beliefs and
all faiths are the same. What matters, is what is real and how that reality
touches us. We can believe we don't need doctors and die due to sicknesses
that could have been cured by a doc's skills. That person remained true to
their faith even till the day they died. Another could put their faith into the
skills of doctors pay out as much as it costs and die still, they remained true
to their faith until the day they die. Reality, brings us to the point that no
matter what we all die.
We do a lot of things due to how we view things, we put our faith into a lot
of silly things and some very serious! With respect to snake handlers, and
blood transfusionists, and so on, that is on them. Who am I to tell someone
else what they believe is silly or wrong, if I were to convince someone who
felt it was wrong for them to get a blood transfusion to get one I could
harm their conscious. That is why even though I eat meat I do not offer it
to someone who does not, or I eat pork I do not offer it to those that do
not. I try to act with respect to the next guy not myself.
Reality or the "Ultimate Truth" will not be forced into anything I want by
what I do or say. If God is real and God keeps His promises, than that is
on God not me. You being close to the Ultimate Truth or not close to it, does
not change it, and if there is a way to it, which I believe there is! Than that
way is there has more to do with the Ultimate Truth than it does you.
Kelly
04 Mar 14
Originally posted by sonhouseWhat I mean by OCD of religion is if people didn't take religion so seriously there would be far less death attributed to religious wars and that would give mankind a chance at real maturity. As it stands now with all these man made religions, each on thinking it is the TRUE religion, when in fact NONE are true, ALL are simply made up by men, mostly men literally, and therein lies the problem.
So, just like the 3 billion other duped people sucked into an OCD life of religion.
A real god would never allow such a chaotic religious groping to happen. It tells me there is no god interested in interacting with mankind, perhaps there is no god at all, but if there is, it is not interested in the foibles of mankind.
Otherwise it would speak to each one of the 7 billion of us in our own language, all at the same time, 'look, here is how it is,' kind of thing. The fact that does not happen is all the proof I need to know all religions are just man made constructs specifically to control other men and most of them to put down women.
One thing that really gets me going is the idea of 'I am a jealous god'.
Like a god capable of making entire universes, JEALOUS of mankind? Get serious, that isn't even a trait worthy of a grade B movie.
Another man made contrivance cleverly set up to scare people into submission.
04 Mar 14
Originally posted by KellyJayAnd I say again, that's you personal truth. Not even all christians agree with you. So how can something be an Ultimate Truth when it is up to debate?
You are still missing the point, I've told you more than once, I repeat!: it
does not matter what I think or you do when it comes to the "Ultimate
Truth" it is what it is.
Christians have faith in God, we believe, but that does bring us closer to
anything else any more than any other religion brings them closer to
anything due to what they believe?
...[text shortened]... here is! Than that
way is there has more to do with the Ultimate Truth than it does you.
Kelly
04 Mar 14
Originally posted by sonhouseHmm... knowing Darvlay (and I don't) I'd guess his joke was less homophonic and more anagrammatic.
He was making a ha ha joke out of your choice, Fnas. so Cnut. Meaning Nut, idiot, something like that. I bounced it back on him (he is Canadian) with he's not a cnut, he's Swedish.
I was referring to what Canadians are called, Canucks, I shortened to Cnut just to deflect his intended pejorative use of Cnut=Nut.
05 Mar 14
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Originally posted by FabianFnasNot sure how many times I can tell you what I believe, you believe, or all
And I say again, that's you personal truth. Not even all christians agree with you. So how can something be an Ultimate Truth when it is up to debate?
the Christians in the world believe.....DOES NOT MATTER! Our beliefs do not
create an Ultimate Truth, we would simply grasp the little bits of it that we
can. The path to it, the understanding of it, will not rest with us, it will not
rest with me, or you, but that truth. If you keep looking for it in places it is
not you'll never see it, you'll never find it. If you look for it where it can be
found, then you have hope.
A personal truth is not an ultimate anything, even if debates are won or loss.
Kelly
05 Mar 14
Originally posted by KellyJayWould you like to debate your definition or mine of what truth is?
Not sure how many times I can tell you what I believe, you believe, or all
the Christians in the world believe.....DOES NOT MATTER! Our beliefs do not
create an Ultimate Truth, we would simply grasp the little bits of it that we
can. The path to it, the understanding of it, will not rest with us, it will not
rest with me, or you, but that truth. If you ...[text shortened]... e hope.
A personal truth is not an ultimate anything, even if debates are won or loss.
Kelly