06 Mar 14
Originally posted by DasaYes yes, but do you think you possess Universal Truth, Ultimate truth, or Absolute Truth?
Veda means knowledge.
The Vedas are the original source of absolute truth.
The Vedas are eternal.
And it goes without saying that they have existed before the Roman Empire and before the Pyramids etc..
The Vedas have been presented to mankind in the language of Sanskrit 5000 yrs ago because before that they were communicated orally.
Those who hav ...[text shortened]... ype in anything you wish to know about absolute knowledge.
Your well wisher ............Dasa.
07 Mar 14
Fabian,
My made up truth can be debated. But God's truth reigns over all people. God's truth doesn't take acceptance in order to be true.
If you are concerned about life issues, then why not concern yourself with your eternal life after you die? If you don't know how you came to be a human, then how can you say that you have an end without eternity?
You never knew of life on this earth before you were born. You had no knowledge of it, but yet it existed for generations before you.
Now, admit that you don't know about your eternal existence, and take a step of faith in Christ who came to the earth so that you can be saved. Don't just sit idle. Prepare for what you don't know is ahead.
07 Mar 14
Originally posted by KingOnPointAll this is your religion. You think it is true. Fine for you.
Fabian,
My made up truth can be debated. But God's truth reigns over all people. God's truth doesn't take acceptance in order to be true.
If you are concerned about life issues, then why not concern yourself with your eternal life after you die? If you don't know how you came to be a human, then how can you say that you have an end without eternit ...[text shortened]... earth so that you can be saved. Don't just sit idle. Prepare for what you don't know is ahead.
If I would to chose between a religion and another. How would i know which one I would chose? By tossing a coin? Or by asking someone from my own culture? Or do I weigh pros against cons? Well, how would we know which one of all the 7 billion personal truths is the Universal one? Short answer: We wouldn't.
Dasa is also a person with strong personal ideas. Who would win if you debated him - what is right, and what is wrong? Or who has the best rhetoric?
One thing I know for sure is that I cannot ever be christian. There are too many christians who have a too bad moral to be correct, yet they are accepted by other christians as good christians. Ergo: the christian religion is off. There are better truths out there.
The Dasa religion I don't know anything about. He himself is not consistent with his own words.
07 Mar 14
Fabian,
Being a Christian is never about who looks good in behavior or anything about them. Christ is the salvation and Christ is the justifier and teacher. Christians are plagued with sin and human mistakes.
Look to Christ alone to see what God wants from us. But even then, separation from the sin nature doesn't occur until Christ cones to get His own or until after someone is humanly dead.
Always look to Christ for how to behave. Remember that sin is ever present in this human life. And of course, making excuses for sinful behavior for Christians is wrong. Please don't look at the christians, but look only at Christ. He is the High Priest for all christian souls. If it were not for him, christians would not be given eternal life, not the other gifts that are given to a christian. Salvation is a gift!
07 Mar 14
Originally posted by KingOnPointI'm sure that you think this is true. Others, some christians, think you are beyond salvationand you will go to hell.
Fabian,
Being a Christian is never about who looks good in behavior or anything about them. Christ is the salvation and Christ is the justifier and teacher. Christians are plagued with sin and human mistakes.
Look to Christ alone to see what God wants from us. But even then, separation from the sin nature doesn't occur until Christ cones to get Hi ...[text shortened]... be given eternal life, not the other gifts that are given to a christian. Salvation is a gift!
It's doesn't matter of what you believe. If you want to be a good person, it is how you behave.
You are good, some others though calling themselves christians are not. It is easy to respect you, because you respect others. And that's what matters.
Some kill others with their bible in on hand and a gun in the other. So there is not a guarantee that your christian beliefs will help you. Kindness and respect always do.
07 Mar 14
Originally posted by KingOnPointLook at the story of Isaac and Abraham where god tests him to see if he would do god's bidding, in this case off his son.
Fabian,
Being a Christian is never about who looks good in behavior or anything about them. Christ is the salvation and Christ is the justifier and teacher. Christians are plagued with sin and human mistakes.
Look to Christ alone to see what God wants from us. But even then, separation from the sin nature doesn't occur until Christ cones to get Hi ...[text shortened]... be given eternal life, not the other gifts that are given to a christian. Salvation is a gift!
The thing that sticks out to me is this: Your god is supposed to be omniscient right? If so, it already knew what the results would be and therefore didn't need to subject old Ab to such a cruel test.
Another instance of a man made religion using apocryphal tales to control people.
07 Mar 14
Originally posted by sonhouseA disgusting story.
Look at the story of Isaac and Abraham where god tests him to see if he would do god's bidding, in this case off his son.
The thing that sticks out to me is this: Your god is supposed to be omniscient right? If so, it already knew what the results would be and therefore didn't need to subject old Ab to such a cruel test.
Another instance of a man made religion using apocryphal tales to control people.
07 Mar 14
Originally posted by KingOnPointJesus himself gave us the right, no, the obligation, to judge people on their behaviour: "By their fruits you will know them!"
And of course, making excuses for sinful behavior for Christians is wrong. Please don't look at the christians, but look only at Christ.
A good tree - good fruit, etc.
08 Mar 14
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Originally posted by CalJustSo, in your opinion, Jesus gave Hitler the right, no, the obligation, to judge jews?
Jesus himself gave us the right, no, the obligation, to judge people on their behaviour: "By their fruits you will know them!"
A good tree - good fruit, etc.
08 Mar 14
Originally posted by FabianFnasGood comment, Fabian.
So, in your opinion, Jesus gave Hitler the right, no, the obligation, to judge jews?
(Actually, this could call for a separate thread!)
There are two separate principles involved here!:
- the prerogative to judge others
- the criteria by which we judge.
(Let's also not get on the sidetrack here that other scriptures say "Don't judge, because God will judge!" because that would require another path again. )
Hitler was allowed to judge the Jews, but clearly he used a totally incorrect measurement system - their acceptability to HIM, and his ilk. This is similar to people judging Jews today.
On the other hand, WE are (and you clearly are, in this post) encouraged to judge Hitler himself, and his particular judgement, and find it wanting.
08 Mar 14
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatActually taking Matthew 7:1-3 out of context is a prime example of how taking the words of Jesus out of context often leads one to draw false conclusions.
But Matthew 7:1-3
Matthew 7
1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
In context it is clear that Jesus is warning against hypocritically levying harsh and/or false judgement rather than a blanket warning against "judging" at all. Interestingly many Christians will invoke the first verse or three as a "defense" for their own bad behavior even though they are loathe to do so when it comes to capital punishment and/or with what they deem is "bad behavior" in others, e.g. homosexuality. Of course, it makes them the very hypocrites that Jesus warns against.
08 Mar 14
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneHe created them male and female, that is why a man will leave his father and his mother and the two will become one flesh, that is what Jesus taught as you are very well aware.
Actually taking Matthew 7:1-3 out of context is a prime example of how taking the words of Jesus out of context often leads one to draw false conclusions.
Matthew 7
1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3“Why do you look at the sp ...[text shortened]... hers, e.g. homosexuality. Of course, it makes them the very hypocrites that Jesus warns against.