08 Mar 14
Originally posted by CalJustExcellent!!!
Good comment, Fabian.
(Actually, this could call for a separate thread!)
There are two separate principles involved here!:
- the prerogative to judge others
- the criteria by which we judge.
(Let's also not get on the sidetrack here that other scriptures say "Don't judge, because God will judge!" because that would require another path again. ) ...[text shortened]... his post) encouraged to judge Hitler himself, and his particular judgement, and find it wanting.
08 Mar 14
Originally posted by PudgenikThe entire concept of an omniscient deity 'judging' is so totally bogus as to be not worthy of a debate.
Excellent!!!
A human judging some event or other humans or animals for that matter, do not have the ability to see into the future.
So that means you see a person say, before some event that causes the judgement, and you make that judgement not knowing the future so there was a past time when you could not have made any kind of judgement because the event leading to the judgement had not yet happened.
In the case of an omniscient entity, it would have no need for the concept of judgement because it knows the past, present, and future of every being in the universe down to the last quark.
Otherwise it is not omniscient.
So it would have no need for judgement since the beginning, before the beginning, our present time, our future time is all a known so there would be no judgement from such a being.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieRC has provided yet another prime example of how taking the words of Jesus out of context often leads one to draw false conclusions.
He created them male and female, that is why a man will leave his father and his mother and the two will become one flesh, that is what Jesus taught as you are very well aware.
Mark 10
2Some Pharisees came up to Jesus, testing Him, and began to question Him whether it was lawful for a man to divorce a wife. 3And He answered and said to them, “What did Moses command you?” 4They said, “Moses permitted a man TO WRITE A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY.” 5But Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6“But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. 7“FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, 8AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9“What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” 10In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. 11And He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; 12and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.”
In context it is clear that Jesus was asked specifically about "whether it was lawful for a MAN to divorce a WIFE". So of course Jesus' response is in the context of "whether it was lawful for a MAN to divorce a WIFE". Some homophobic Christians take Mark 10:6 out of context in a pathetically backward attempt to portray Jesus as speaking against homosexuality. Of course, it makes them the very hypocrites that Jesus warns against in Matthew 7:1-5.
08 Mar 14
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Originally posted by sonhouseIn the concept of Judgement Day or God's Judgement. (we always blame God for everything, ha ha). In standing before the Creator, it will not be He who judges us. It will be us, (meaning you and i) that will judge ourselves.
The entire concept of an omniscient deity 'judging' is so totally bogus as to be not worthy of a debate.
A human judging some event or other humans or animals for that matter, do not have the ability to see into the future.
So that means you see a person say, before some event that causes the judgement, and you make that judgement not knowing the fut ...[text shortened]... r present time, our future time is all a known so there would be no judgement from such a being.
Fortunately for you sonhouse, the day you stand before Him, and seeing the truth before you. At that moment you will feel very unworthy of being with Him. But He will say to you, "Come sonhouse, sit on my right side." Where you will sit for a while. Then with Joy in your heart, you will enter Paradise.
I know you don't believe me, it matters not. It will take place just as i've said, even Him calling you sonhouse.
As for you Christians out there who choose to judge, be careful. I know you don't know me. But you do not know sonhouse either. God does.
08 Mar 14
Originally posted by sonhouseSorry, the omniscient judge is actually irrelevant to this discussion.
The entire concept of an omniscient deity 'judging' is so totally bogus as to be not worthy of a debate.
A human judging some event or other humans or animals for that matter, do not have the ability to see into the future.
So that means you see a person say, before some event that causes the judgement, and you make that judgement not knowing the fut ...[text shortened]... r present time, our future time is all a known so there would be no judgement from such a being.
We are talking about Christians, as humans, judging each other.
At least that is what I thought this was all about...
08 Mar 14
Originally posted by PudgenikWhere do you get your information what God is going to do, because the
In the concept of Judgement Day or God's Judgement. (we always blame God for everything, ha ha). In standing before the Creator, it will not be He who judges us. It will be us, (meaning you and i) that will judge ourselves.
Fortunately for you sonhouse, the day you stand before Him, and seeing the truth before you. At that moment you will feel very unwo ...[text shortened]... e to judge, be careful. I know you don't know me. But you do not know sonhouse either. God does.
scripture does not teach what you just said.
Kelly
08 Mar 14
Originally posted by KellyJayTell me this: Why do you think the scripture comes from a god? Do you see any evidence of this in today's life? I certainly don't. All I see it mankind going down a drain in a hurry and of our own making.
Where do you get your information what God is going to do, because the
scripture does not teach what you just said.
Kelly
Why do you think the bible is literally sacred, as in written by a god?
08 Mar 14
Originally posted by sonhouseAnswer my question, I'll answer yours.
Tell me this: Why do you think the scripture comes from a god? Do you see any evidence of this in today's life? I certainly don't. All I see it mankind going down a drain in a hurry and of our own making.
Why do you think the bible is literally sacred, as in written by a god?
Kelly
09 Mar 14
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Originally posted by sonhousePeople wrote scripture, the only thing that God wrote was the 10
Tell me this: Why do you think the scripture comes from a god? Do you see any evidence of this in today's life? I certainly don't. All I see it mankind going down a drain in a hurry and of our own making.
Why do you think the bible is literally sacred, as in written by a god?
Commandments and Moses destroyed that shortly after that was done.
Scripture was written by people who either was writing about just events
as they went through them, sometimes those events had God involved
sometimes not.
Evidence, I actually walked around Israel a couple of times seen the land
first hand. I walked around places where the events occurred, among
people who are there because God put them there.
I had my life turned around after I accepted God into my life, it did not
happen for me because I was raised as a Christian my life was far from
that. I got saved at age 25 and the God who I prayed too, answered my
prayer to be forgiven and entering into my life.
The God of the Bible makes and keeps the promises He makes. Only a real
God can do that.
I see the same thing you do about mankind, and as it is written it is going
to get a lot worse.
Kelly
09 Mar 14
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Originally posted by KellyJayI walked around Israel for three years, hiked to the Qumran caves (very slippery!) saw the churches in Bethlehem and what I saw was strife, generational strife, multi millennial strife all because of three religions clashing over Jerusalem.
People wrote scripture, the only thing that God wrote was the 10
Commandments and Moses destroyed that shortly after that was done.
Scripture was written by people who either was writing about just events
as they went through them, sometimes those events had God involved
sometimes not.
Evidence, I actually walked around Israel a couple of times see ...[text shortened]... he same thing you do about mankind, and as it is written it is going
to get a lot worse.
Kelly
It struck me REALLY hard a real god would have foreseen this and have done something about it 3,000 years ago, a real god could have just said, to every individual on earth at the stame time, look, here is how it is, and prevented centuries of bloodshed over these religions.
That's what I took from my years in Israel.
Other than that, I loved the place, since my wife and I are card carrying folkies, we played folk festivals from one end of Israel to the other, Kibbutz Yot Vata, Kibbutz Tsora, Jacob's ladder festival three years ( really great festival)
It just seemed to me very clear all three of those religions were strictly man made, no god involved. People get duped all the time. Get duped over politics, over money, over love, over hate and especially over religion.
Several billion duped souls who are bringing themselves up by their own petards unbeknownst to them, assigning any gains to a god when in fact their own brain is doing the heavy lifting.
09 Mar 14
Originally posted by sonhouseYou realize that in scripture we have broken from God's Kingdom? The fall
I walked around Israel for three years, hiked to the Qumran caves (very slippery!) saw the churches in Bethlehem and what I saw was strife, generational strife, multi millennial strife all because of three religions clashing over Jerusalem.
It struck me REALLY hard a real god would have foreseen this and have done something about it 3,000 years ago, a r ...[text shortened]... t to them, assigning any gains to a god when in fact their own brain is doing the heavy lifting.
of man has us being as selfish as we so desire, and we can be very selfish.
When we fell we dropped into a kingdom led by demons, so no only have
we fallen away we have the demons leading us around at every attempt
to cause us to become father away from both God and each other.
The redemption of mankind is done through Jesus Christ, but until God
steps in and ends this sinful kingdom, God is redeeming people out of this
kingdom of darkness.
I imagine when it is all said and done, we will see people finding God in the
easiest of all conditions and in the most dark demonic ones. As God is
calling and finding those that want to answer His call, He has away for
anyone who is willing to be saved. That door will some day shut, and the
end of evil will be upon the universe once and for all. In the mean time we
will see evil done to man by man.
Kelly
09 Mar 14
The post that was quoted here has been removedThe fruit by which we are entitled to judge are given in Galatians 5, 22 and includes:
Love
Joy
Peace
Patience
Kindness
Goodness
Gentleness
Self-control
I once asked RBH which of these he exhibits on RHP, and his response was: ALL OF THEM!
Nuff said.