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Originally posted by whodey
Do you not remember that in the movie? That is perhaps the only thing I remember since I can't help but be acutely aware of leftist dogma thrown in Hollywood movies, that is. 😛

ive seen the movie, cant remember thinking it had any left wing politics in it. i for one would be happier to see a bit more left and liberal politics in american movies. its the left (by american standards) thats winning some respect back for america.

Originally posted by whodey
Isn't the human race pictured as destroying the earth? I mean, our reproduction needs to be regulated and our energy consumption needs to be regulated and our resource use needs to be regulated and we need to promote abortion and contraception and encourage people not to have many children etc. Just google the Human Extermination Project and you will see what I'm talking about. We are perhaps the first species to focus on self destruction.

And just for your reference.

We ARE destroying our environment which is a serious issue.

Both because it is both intellectually, ethically, and aesthetically bankrupt to wantonly and
needlessly destroy and despoil the natural world but also because the natural world is our
life support system.

Without it we die.

While it is a 'leftist' position to value the environment (apparently) it is also a 'leftist' position to
value people and their well-being.

And so the 'leftist' position is that we need to both take care of the environment and ourselves
better than we do now.


Now unless you want me to lump everyone on the right in with the KKK and Nazi skinhead white
supremacists I suggest you start to appreciate that the existence of lunatic fringes to any position
that does not mean that you can dismiss the reasonable majority who don't hold the lunatic fringe
position.

Originally posted by googlefudge
[b]And just for your reference.

We ARE destroying our environment which is a serious issue.

So would you compare the human race to a virus then as it destroys its host?

Originally posted by whodey
So would you compare the human race to a virus then as it destroys its host?

No because I am not a moron.


The 'line' was uttered by a fictional bad guy trying to break the mind of someone he was torturing in a movie.

It does not represent a thought out and considered position by a real life political or scientific body or group.


Are you seriously not capable of working this out yourself?

Originally posted by whodey
So would you compare the human race to a virus then as it destroys its host?

ive never seen a virus build a wind farm or grow a sustainable forest or develop crops that can grow in arrid parts of the world, or put solar panels on a roof, or recycle, or all of the other amazing things people are doing around the world.

Originally posted by googlefudge
No because I am not a moron.


The 'line' was uttered by a fictional bad guy trying to break the mind of someone he was torturing in a movie.

It does not represent a thought out and considered position by a real life political or scientific body or group.


Are you seriously not capable of working this out yourself?

But I thought you said we were destroying the habitat. Is this not what a virus does?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
ive never seen a virus build a wind farm or grow a sustainable forest or develop crops that can grow in arrid parts of the world, or put solar panels on a roof, or recycle, or all of the other amazing things people are doing around the world.

Only the good virus' do this. Maybe they have evolved to the level of bacteria. 😛

You see, the leftist morality is all about "saving" the environment. For example, if you don't recycle you become a sinner or if you drive an SUV.

BTW: Wind farms kill birds and creating solar panels is toxic to the environment.

I'm just say'in!! 😀

Originally posted by stellspalfie
ive seen the movie, cant remember thinking it had any left wing politics in it. i for one would be happier to see a bit more left and liberal politics in american movies. its the left (by american standards) thats winning some respect back for america.

At least you admit what goes on. If they don't get it in the left of center public education system, maybe they will get the message at the movies, eh?

Originally posted by whodey
At least you admit what goes on. If they don't get it in the left of center public education system, maybe they will get the message at the movies, eh?

i wouldnt actually say holywood movies were left wing, maybe some of the smaller indie films are, but thats reflective of their target audience. i dont think the studio execs have enough brains or morals to bother getting any liberal messages across.

i dont know enough about the american school system to comment. i do find all the right wing propaganda being shoved down american throats by fox news rather disturbing.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
i wouldnt actually say holywood movies were left wing, maybe some of the smaller indie films are, but thats reflective of their target audience. i dont think the studio execs have enough brains or morals to bother getting any liberal messages across.

i dont know enough about the american school system to comment. i do find all the right wing propaganda being shoved down american throats by fox news rather disturbing.

Colleges are perhaps the most blatantly left winged institutions. Every professor I had had Marx oozing out of their pores.

As for messages in Hollywood movies, there are more examples than I can list. The only question becomes, is it purposeful or are these movies just a reflection of their creator?

Originally posted by whodey
Colleges are perhaps the most blatantly left winged institutions. Every professor I had had Marx oozing out of their pores.

As for messages in Hollywood movies, there are more examples than I can list. The only question becomes, is it purposeful or are these movies just a reflection of their creator?

give a few examples, im interested. im a big movie fan and a part time socialist. what have i been missing!! america seems like such a right wing country i cant imagine it happing in mainstream movies, especially as everybody is so rich and middle class in most films.

you mentioned the matrix, whats left wing about that? i thought it was all about religious symbolism.

Originally posted by whodey
So determining wickedness has to do with common sense and evolution? I don't follow. To say that sense is common would mean to imply mob rule. Is this your position?

No its not my position. I said that we can determine wickedness by common sense. In no way does this imply mob rule. Do you not really know what common sense is, or do you really think you can win an argument by deliberately misrepresenting the opposition?

Originally posted by googlefudge
No because I am not a moron.


The 'line' was uttered by a fictional bad guy trying to break the mind of someone he was torturing in a movie.

It does not represent a thought out and considered position by a real life political or scientific body or group.


Are you seriously not capable of working this out yourself?

Are you seriously not capable of working this out yourself?

Yes. As sad as it is, whodey is not capable (or maybe he is just unwilling) of doing his own objective research and coming to a view that does not completely distort beyond all get out the commitments and reasons of those who happen to think differently from himself. Just take a look at his brief synopses of the arguments on both sides of any given issue: I mean, yikes.

Originally posted by twhitehead
No its not my position. I said that we can determine wickedness by common sense. In no way does this imply mob rule. Do you not really know what common sense is, or do you really think you can win an argument by deliberately misrepresenting the opposition?

I would assume that common means majority. In other words, if someone were lacking common sense, you would merely be comparing them to others who agreed what common sense is and that they were lacking it. In this sense, it is majority rules.

Originally posted by whodey
I would assume that common means majority.

You assume wrong, and I think deliberately so.