"I know there is no God"

@fmf said
The Romans killed Jesus as a perceived political threat. Do the Gospels state that he was "murdered"?

@fmf said
Not contemporaneous "records", no. It's not. Even the New Testament was written decades after the events supposedly happened and the writer of most of it never even met its main protagonist.

@fmf said
I am not talking about how his execution is "described". And I know how you and other Christians characterize what happened to Jesus but if he was "murdered" then, of course, the gospels would state that he was "murdered".

@fmf said
"I know there is no God".

Actually, I do not "know" it. And I never make this claim.

We can certainly say we believe supernatural beings exist or don't exist.

Or... that we do not or cannot know either way.

We can also certainly say we believe that a specific God figure from a specific religious tradition exists or that we don't believe that a specific God figure, ...[text shortened]... belief.

This is a dilution of the meaning of the word "know" that does not benefit the discourse.

Why is there a space between Lyons and Spakowski?

@divegeester said
Why is there a space between Lyons and Spakowski?

@kingdavid403 said
Do the Gospels state that he was "murdered"?
"What's the difference between being killed and murdered?
Answer: If you murder somebody, your intention would be solely to kill them. If your intent wasn't to kill them but you do, then it is not considered murder. Murder is a killing where the intent is proved."

@kingdavid403 said
The Gospels do state that Jesus was murdered; ALL of them.

@fmf said
The Romans executed him for sedition, i.e. they perceived him as a political threat - as even indicated by your own words - so the reason he ended up dead was because of an execution and not a murder.

@fmf said
Where?

@kingdavid403 said
Not contemporaneous "records", no. It's not.
Yes it is. Flavius Josephus is one of the Roman Jewish historian's at that time. Go do some studying on him. He wrote all about Jesus and the happening's in Jewish culture at that time; even tho he didn't believe in Jesus.

@kingdavid403 said
In the Bible. In every Gospel as I told you several times before little boy. Grow the fck up.

@fmf said
Josephus did not produce "contemporaneous records". He was writing two or three generations after Jesus's death. You apparently to reassess your understanding of what the word "contemporaneous" means.

@kingdavid403 said
and the writer of most of it never even met its main protagonist.
Completely wrong again. Many of the scribes knew the main protagonist; especially John.

@fmf said
The Bible describes an execution. It does not use the word "murder", which it surely would have done if that was what happened.