I urinated on a church door yesterday evening

Originally posted by KellyJay
I do agree that there are more that just sit than those that are
active in the Chruch fellowship, but that does not mean those that
are not active in the church are not good Christians, nor does it
mean that those that are doing all the work in a Church setting are
Christians either let alone good Christians.
Kelly

KellyJay:

Recall the parable of the Widow's Mite. What a person gives to support
a church building doesn't mean much to me. When people tithe or give
alms, I would venture that 99% of the time they are giving from their
surplus, not their means. Jesus explicitly denounces this as of minor
significance for a faithful member. Much of their money pays for
electricity, heat, air conditioning, salaries, pews, hymanls, prayer cards,
flowers...in other words, stuff just to sustain the church building itself,
not something that is sent into the community.

How many people in your church (of 70?) spend any time giving to the
community outside the walls of the building. From the description,
it sounds like there are about a few dozen members of Aynat's congregation
that get together and do stuff to help the community -- making blankets,
staffing soup kitchens, &c. These efforts are given without expectation
of reciprocation. When you give money in the collection basket, you
expect the lights to be on next week. It is not a gift, it is a payment for
services rendered, at least in part. When you give a homeless guy a
blanket, you don't get anything back. When you feed a hungry person in
a soup kitchen, you don't get anything back.

I see you guys built a new building (worship site?). How many shelters
have you built? How many soup kitchens? How many facilities to help
battered women and orphaned children? If none, are you suggesting that
your community has no need of these things such that this new building
was really the only logical choice?

How many of your congregation do these things? If it is more than 20%
(as I said above), then I would be very surprised. Most Christians are
'Sunday Christians,' giving in the basket and that is all. Some, like RBHILL
rationalize that 'giving the Word of God is the greatest gift' and that they
have no duty to give to the poor, needy, hungry, afflicted, sick, and
imprisoned.

As I said, if 100% of Christians did what Jesus said, there would be 0%
poverty, 0% hunger, and 0% strife in their communities. But, more often
it is 20% (if that) trying to overcome the entropy of apathy that is the 80%
around them.

Nemesio

Originally posted by darvlay
I knew it! 😀

No you didn't! You're as big a liar as Shav! Evil bastards.

Originally posted by Nemesio
KellyJay:

Recall the parable of the Widow's Mite. What a person gives to support
a church building doesn't mean much to me. When people tithe or give
alms, I would venture that 99% of the time they are giving from their
surplus, not their means. Jesus explicitly denounces this as of minor
significance for a faithful member. Much of their money ...[text shortened]... 0% (if that) trying to overcome the entropy of apathy that is the 80%
around them.

Nemesio

I'm not going to beat the drum of how righteous we are and sit and
tell you all the things we do for the community. The Community is
our goal or focus as a fellowship, I just told you about the youth part.
Again, what is a good Christian isn't going to be apparent by looking
at a the service, where we live what we do will more than likely be
hidden if you’re doing it right. Not letting your right hand know
what you’re left hand is doing is a saying that comes to mind. Doing
good works so that they can be seen and have people pat you on the
back while the world looks at you does not make you a good
Christian. Doing it so that God knows and man doesn't is much
better, so there is no way can you or anyone else can tell me you
know what the vast majority of Christians are doing, they are not
doing anything just for the sake of being seen, they are doing
whatever is on their hearts to do, to get something done.
Kelly

Originally posted by shavixmir
You know...

I never really did urinate on that church door.
Funnily enough, I was just drunk and thought it would be a hoot to provoke you all.

🙂

You know, its funny you should mention this subject. I used to live
and work in Jerusalem, wife and kids came too. One day we were
wandering around in the old city and one of the twins, Andrew, has
to Pee. Well we were in the Coptic Christian sector and happened to
be in the backyard square of on of their churches. We asked a priest
who was standing around where there was a bathroom, andrew needs
to go. He just pointed to a vividly stained back wall of the church.
It seemed it had been used like this for centuries! So Andrew goes
and everyone was happy. Andrew was about 6 at the time.
The priest thought it was funny....

Originally posted by sonhouse
You know, its funny you should mention this subject. I used to live
and work in Jerusalem, wife and kids came too. One day we were
wandering around in the old city and one of the twins, Andrew, has
to Pee. Well we were in the Coptic Christian sector and happened to
be in the backyard square of on of their churches. We asked a priest
who was standing a ...[text shortened]... es
and everyone was happy. Andrew was about 6 at the time.
The priest thought it was funny....

All's well that ends well.