23 Jul 13
Originally posted by TygertBut sometimes rational arguments do work on religious people which is one reason why some of us are no-longer religious people, and it also helps explain the higher proportion of atheists amongst the better educated.
Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be religious people.
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24 Jul 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadyou completely missed my point:
Thats because I am an atheist.
Who decides what are the wrong reasons and what are the right reasons? If God did write those books then the right reasons may include some of what you mention. That is the problem with morality based on a book.
[b]what does it mean to be christian? since there are different variations of it
there isn't a definite ans ...[text shortened]... esus existed, or don't believe God exists. But it is a little difficult to justify the title.
it doesn't matter if your are a theist, deist, agnostic, or an atheist to be a lowlife. we, as a society, have figured out what is right and wrong. i would like to think the bible helped, but that is just my opinion. if you don't think so, then great, but there are bigger monsters to contend with than your beef with religion. well, except the vatican...sorry catholics but all that child rape stuff needs to stop in the church...it seems to be systematic...
as for christians that don't believe in god is just silly. you cannot be a christian and not believe in god, or jesus.
24 Jul 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadlol did you even watch the video?
But sometimes rational arguments do work on religious people which is one reason why some of us are no-longer religious people, and it also helps explain the higher proportion of atheists amongst the better educated.
this is what annoys me about atheists the most - some sense of superiority just because they "lack a belief in god(s)". even if what you said is true (link plz), atheists are no better than theists are since we are all fundamentally human. you are not a special fairy. you are more akin to theists than you think
the differences are miniscule
24 Jul 13
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Originally posted by twhiteheadNotice the word "usually". I'm an atheist. My mom was Jewish. She isn't anymore.
But sometimes rational arguments do work on religious people which is one reason why some of us are no-longer religious people, and it also helps explain the higher proportion of atheists amongst the better educated.
24 Jul 13
Originally posted by TygertI did guess you were atheist based on the quote. So do you think you or you mom became atheist because of rational argument? I think I became atheist because of internal rational argument, but nobody presented the arguments to me. I think I had realised for quite some time that Christianity didn't add up, and I just asked myself one day, what if its not true?
Notice the word "usually". I'm an atheist. My mom was Jewish. She isn't anymore.
24 Jul 13
Originally posted by empovsunIs that what you would tell the poor folks in Somalia who are forced into being Muslim or die? Or the Aborigines in Australia who in the last century were forced to convert to Christianity or Cortez, is that what he told the tribes there, convert or die. Is that the miniscule difference you are talking about?
lol did you even watch the video?
this is what annoys me about atheists the most - some sense of superiority just because they "lack a belief in god(s)". even if what you said is true (link plz), atheists are no better than theists are since we are all fundamentally human. you are not a special fairy. you are more akin to theists than you think
the differences are miniscule
24 Jul 13
Originally posted by empovsunNo. You didn't give me any good reason to do so, you merely said you like to listen to him.
lol did you even watch the video?
What is interesting in it and why should I watch it?
this is what annoys me about atheists the most - some sense of superiority just because they "lack a belief in god(s)". even if what you said is true (link plz), atheists are no better than theists are since we are all fundamentally human. you are not a special fairy. you are more akin to theists than you think
the differences are miniscule
The differences are enormous, but not biologically as you seem to suggest I might claim. I also recognize enormous differences within both groups.
Many of us atheists were theists at one time. But I am not claiming superiority as a person, but superiority of an idea. Rational thinking is superior to rational thinking even if those thinking both ways are fundamentally human.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadI started the video, and rapidly gave up.
No. You didn't give me any good reason to do so, you merely said you like to listen to him.
What is interesting in it and why should I watch it?
[b]this is what annoys me about atheists the most - some sense of superiority just because they "lack a belief in god(s)". even if what you said is true (link plz), atheists are no better than theists are sin ...[text shortened]... ng is superior to rational thinking even if those thinking both ways are fundamentally human.
Its a badly presented and shot rant by someone I have never heard of venting his spleen.
Which he's perfectly entitled to do... I just have no reason to care.
If you want me to watch a video it needs to be 'watchable'.
Thus be shot and edited in a non-jarring fashion, have clear audio, and the content needs to
be engaging.
This video fails on every single count.
Also you have a little typo... you meant rational thinking is superior to irrational thinking.
Which I absolutely agree with.
Atheism is vastly superior to theism.
This doesn't mean (by any means) that atheists are vastly superior to theists.
24 Jul 13
Originally posted by googlefudgeActually, it was empovsun who posted the video and TWhitehead who made the rational / irrational comment.
I started the video, and rapidly gave up.
Its a badly presented and shot rant by someone I have never heard of venting his spleen.
Which he's perfectly entitled to do... I just have no reason to care.
If you want me to watch a video it needs to be 'watchable'.
Thus be shot and edited in a non-jarring fashion, have clear audio, and the content ...[text shortened]... to theism.
This doesn't mean (by any means) that atheists are vastly superior to theists.
Just trying to help.
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24 Jul 13
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Originally posted by PenguinYes I know...
Actually, it was empovsun who posted the video and TWhitehead who made the rational / irrational comment.
Just trying to help.
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Although with hindsight I can see how my post could be read otherwise...
When I said "... If you want me to watch a video it needs to be 'watchable'. ..."
the 'you' was not referring to anyone in particular... and in retrospect
would have been clearer if I said something like ".. If anyone wants me to watch..."
So I apologise if my post has confused anyone by being unclear and hope this clears it up.
EDIT: in summery I was agreeing with and adding to twhiteheads comments.
24 Jul 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadMy mom and I also reasoned it rationally and decided it didn't add up.
I did guess you were atheist based on the quote. So do you think you or you mom became atheist because of rational argument? I think I became atheist because of internal rational argument, but nobody presented the arguments to me. I think I had realised for quite some time that Christianity didn't add up, and I just asked myself one day, what if its not true?