In Preparation for August

Originally posted by Rajk999
Im fully aware of all those passages, however Im still waiting for you to produce a reference which supports your statement that "we all deserve to burn in hell".

Rom 5:12

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned —
NKJV
The very first verse says all men have sinned....
We were born with sin = condemnation...it's just a matter of putting two and two together.
Without Jesus, we would all be cast in the lake of fire, to burn up and eventually cease to exist. If this is not clear enough, I can't help you.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Rom 5:12

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned —
NKJV
The very first verse says all men have sinned....
We were born with sin = condemnation...it's just a matter of putting two and two together.
Without Jesus, we would all be cast in the lake of fire, to burn up and eventually cease to exist. If this is not clear enough, I can't help you.

Without Christ there would be no judgment and no need for punishment.
Sin leads to death.

But have it your way.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Different topic, as near as I can recall all this thread had to do with as can we be civil to one another while we debate for a month, and I'm a little disappointed that even that alone is a point of contention.

Does your heartfelt regret extend to calling off your exclusion of talking to me?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Without Christ there would be no judgment and no need for punishment.
Sin leads to death.

But have it your way.

This makes no sense. Without Christ there would be no need for punishment? Did Christ bring sin?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
This makes no sense. Without Christ there would be no need for punishment? Did Christ bring sin?

You're talking to the Rajk checkbaiter. He doesn't make sense half the time. The other half of the time he doesn't make any sense either.

The post that was quoted here has been removed

"Would you ever begin to doubt the righteousness of your cause?"

A baiting question.

The righteousness of Jesus Christ is unquestionable. God is infallible and righteous altogether without flaw. Humans on the other hand are altogether fallible and incapable of being righteous in and of themselves. Hence the atrocities they commit. Sometimes even in the name of God!

Originally posted by Rajk999
Without Christ there would be no judgment and no need for punishment.
Sin leads to death.

But have it your way.

Actually it would be without the Law there would be no need for judgment and punishment,
Jesus Christ came to save us from our guilt in the Law.

Originally posted by josephw
You're talking to the Rajk checkbaiter. He doesn't make sense half the time. The other half of the time he doesn't make any sense either.

Do you see how much work it is going to be to NOT attack people personally? It is going
to be the ones that we feel make it so easy or justified that will be hard to hold off on. I can
only imagine that list will be different for each one of us.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Do you see how much work it is going to be to NOT attack people personally? It is going
to be the ones that we feel make it so easy or justified that will be hard to hold off on. I can
only imagine that list will be different for each one of us.

As this August forum amnesty approaches do you think your conscience will be pricked into action and you will find the grace to forgive me and others for whatever forum offence has been committed against you?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Actually it would be without the Law there would be no need for judgment and punishment,
Jesus Christ came to save us from our guilt in the Law.

The 'Law' means Law of Moses. And who is without the Law? Everybody is without the Law. Only the Jews are under the Law. Everybody else will just die never to be raised for judgment or reward or for punishment.

Originally posted by Rajk999
The 'Law' means Law of Moses. And who is without the Law? Everybody is without the Law. Only the Jews are under the Law. Everybody else will just die never to be raised for judgment or reward or for punishment.

Yes, so when the law says don't lust and you lust you sin.
When our hearts condemns us for actions we know is wrong and we do them anyway we
sin. Our hearts can justify us to, but sinning once makes us a sinner.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes, so when the law says don't lust and you lust you sin.
When our hearts condemns us for actions we know is wrong and we do them anyway we
sin. Our hearts can justify us to, but sinning once makes us a sinner.

Ok .. but remember we are talking about. Checkbaiter said that we all deserve to burn in hell.

Originally posted by josephw
A baiting question.

The righteousness of Jesus Christ is unquestionable.

It wasn't a 'baiting question' at all. It was a straightforward question. Why can't you give a straight answer?

If you believed that Jesus had commanded the genocide of a given group of people, would you go along with it unquestioningly and join in the genocide?
Yes or no.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Ok .. but remember we are talking about. Checkbaiter said that we all deserve to burn in hell.

We you break the law in any place you break the whole law, it would be like a piece of
glass once it is broken it is all broken. We are all sinners breaking God's laws, and when
we do not know God's laws those things we know are true we even break them when we
are a law unto ourselves. Hell was not made for us, it was made for the devil and his own,
but now we outside of Christ fall into that group where are part of the god of this world's
world.