In the beginning God or nothing?

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
It is a matter of the current evidence and where it points.

Yea so you say, again I'm quite sure you believe that while others
here suggest that isn't necessarily true. It is a common belief among
others, but the evidence for it is there only if you accept certain things
to be true.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You and I are not God that was what I said.
Do we make up parts of God as in I am the toe nail and you are..., no.
We are part of God creation, yes.
We are invited to be part of God's family, yes.
I mean God is His own person, He has His own personality and so forth.
Not sure what you want here.
Kelly

Sometimes I'm not sure what I want either..
I have been following this thread with enthusiasm and it was not until that comment that I chose to comment.
You and I are not God.hmm, Still sounds like a question of semantics.
How could we be invited to be part of Gods family if we were not already part of 'his ' family?
I suppose God could be quite liberal in his dinner-party invitations.

I still maintain that we are all a little part of God . A little 'whole idea of God within God ' .
If we are not ,then what are we?

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Sometimes I'm not sure what I want either..
I have been following this thread with enthusiasm and it was not until that comment that I chose to comment.
You and I are not God.hmm, Still sounds like a question of semantics.
How could we be invited to be part of Gods family if we were not already part of 'his ' family?
I suppose God could be quite lib ...[text shortened]... part of God . A little 'whole idea of God within God ' .
If we are not ,then what are we?

God created us all, we had a relationship with God, in that way we
were/are children of God, but we rebelled, left the fold as it were and
brought into our lives and nature sin, we can be redeemed by God
through Jesus Christ to once again be a part of God's family. We are
invited to be one with God, but that impies at some point until that
happens we are not.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
God created us all, we had a relationship with God, in that way we
were/are children of God, but we rebelled, left the fold as it were and
brought into our lives and nature sin, we can be redeemed by God
through Jesus Christ to once again be a part of God's family. We are
invited to be one with God, but that impies at some point until that
happens we are not.
Kelly

Good answer.
But you still haven't answered my question.
(If we are not a part of God ),then what are we?
(or are you saying we are like rebellious children?I'm not sure)

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Good answer.
But you still haven't answered my question.
(If we are not a part of God ),then what are we?
(or are you saying we are like rebellious children?I'm not sure)

I don't know about you, but I'm just me.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't know about you, but I'm just me.
Kelly

Well my contention is that we are all little 'parts of God'.
I'm just me too and the 'me' that makes me me is God.
Just a little smidgin' of God.
Why do you doubt that ? Why persist in putting up walls between us and God?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yea so you say, again I'm quite sure you believe that while others
here suggest that isn't necessarily true. It is a common belief among
others, but the evidence for it is there only if you accept certain things
to be true.
Kelly

…but the evidence for it is there only if you accept certain THINGS
to be true.
….(my emphasis)

What certain “THINGS” are you referring to? -do you mean the evidence/data? -or the proven theories (such as relativity etc)? -or the logical extrapolation from the known evidence/data using the proven theories? -if not any of these three then exactly what are you referring to by “THINGS” and can you give me a specific example of one of these “things” that I must "accept" before accepting the big-bang hypothesis or that there was a singularity with a t=0 ?

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Well my contention is that we are all little 'parts of God'.
I'm just me too and the 'me' that makes me me is God.
Just a little smidgin' of God.
Why do you doubt that ? Why persist in putting up walls between us and God?

God is one, if anything we would be gods, the two are not the same
things, and even scripture says as much.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
God is one, if anything we would be gods, the two are not the same
things, and even scripture says as much.
Kelly

Yes I see your problem with my wording.
You can add(1+1),you can subtract(1-1),you can multiply but you cannot divide.
So what is our essence then if not of God?
There is no conciousness apart from God,for God is conciousness,everywhere in every living being.
Now realizing this fact can save a lot of people a lot of trouble with religon ,etc.
It is only you who puts a wall between you and God. God doesn't do that, it not in 'his' nature.
🙂

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Yes I see your problem with my wording.
You can add(1+1),you can subtract(1-1),you can multiply but you cannot divide.
So what is our essence then if not of God?
There is no conciousness apart from God,for God is conciousness,everywhere in every living being.
Now realizing this fact can save a lot of people a lot of trouble with religon ,etc.
It ...[text shortened]... nly you who puts a wall between you and God. God doesn't do that, it not in 'his' nature.
🙂

I'm giving you what I glean from scripture, if you'd like we can go
chapter and verse to show why we think what we do we can? If you
don't accept the scriptures, and your just giving me your opinion
alone, I'll just say okay, and we can agree to disagree.
Kelly

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
[b]…but the evidence for it is there only if you accept certain THINGS
to be true.
….(my emphasis)

What certain “THINGS” are you referring to? -do you mean the evidence/data? -or the proven theories (such as relativity etc)? -or the logical extrapolation from the known evidence/data using the proven theories? -if not any of these three th ...[text shortened]... "accept" before accepting the big-bang hypothesis or that there was a singularity with a t=0 ?[/b]

Give me three items of evidence to back up that the singularity was
real, and we can touch upon them one at a time. Others here have
said there wasn't any, but maybe you know something they don't.

You believe in "t=0" was a reality, did I get that right?
You believe at one time "all" was in the singularity, did I get that right?

I'll start with those things, and I'm sure you may dislike the word,
"believe" so you can change give me another way to couch your views
on the topic. I don't want to argue the point at this time how you view
things are differently than how I do.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm giving you what I glean from scripture, if you'd like we can go
chapter and verse to show why we think what we do we can? If you
don't accept the scriptures, and your just giving me your opinion
alone, I'll just say okay, and we can agree to disagree.
Kelly

Go for it. Give me a bit of scripture.But I don't see how it will help.
People like me are considered 'damaged goods' by others who still worry about their vanity.
I just dont care all that much about looking good in this world and do the bare minimum to get by.
Its not a postition I advocate.
I dont ram my point of view down others throaghts.
Every indication I get from 'the God of my own understanding' tells me that I'm headed in the right direction.
Now if you want to believe in scriptures thats great! No really , I mean it.
And if you want to call my experience an opinion I dont give a toss.
At the end of the day scriptures can be argued about because they are a secondary form of information.
Now I know we are all a bit touchy when it comes to spiritual matters. Myself included. But I'm fully prepared to admit when I am wrong or on the wrong track. Are you?
peace.
edit:and ,oh yeah..I did ask you a question in my last post🙂

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Yes I see your problem with my wording.
You can add(1+1),you can subtract(1-1),you can multiply but you cannot divide.
So what is our essence then if not of God?
There is no conciousness apart from God,for God is conciousness,everywhere in every living being.
Now realizing this fact can save a lot of people a lot of trouble with religon ,etc.
It ...[text shortened]... nly you who puts a wall between you and God. God doesn't do that, it not in 'his' nature.
🙂

"So what is our essence then if not of God? "

We are made in the image of God, by God who breathed life into us
through Adam at our beginning.
Kellyy

Originally posted by KellyJay
"So what is our essence then if not of God? "

We are made in the image of God, by God who breathed life into us
through Adam at our beginning.
Kellyy

thank you for an answer.
So our essence,our 'aliveness' or 'force of animaton' , is this 'breath' that God breathed into us. Cool . I can work with that.
cheers!

Originally posted by karoly aczel
thank you for an answer.
So our essence,our 'aliveness' or 'force of animaton' , is this 'breath' that God breathed into us. Cool . I can work with that.
cheers!

Tsune ni ite, kyu ni awasu😵