Is being an agnostic playing it safe?

@pettytalk said
If I were to tell you what I believe the risk to a soul is, I would be wasting my time, if you deny the possibility that we all have a soul.

I think you are mistaken about what the substance of "a soul" is. If your worldview includes the prospect of some "danger" to a person's consciousness and personhood after they die, then I have to say that I don't think there's any credible basis for this sense that there is peril.

@pettytalk said
Be a good fellow and tell me why you were a Christian for so long?

I was a Christian for as long as I was convinced that the bible was a believable basis for what Christians claim about God and themselves, along with what they claim about the identity of Jesus and the significance of his life.

@pettytalk said
Do believe we have a soul?

If I were to tell you what I believe the risk to a soul is, I would be wasting my time, if you deny the possibility that we all have a soul.

Be a good fellow and tell me why you were a Christian for so long? Surely, as a Christian, you must have been introduced to one of Jesus' iconic references to the soul, right?

According to Jesus ...[text shortened]... n you getting to heaven. I'm just using you in general, to make a point on the risk of needling you.

According to Jesus the risk a soul runs is the risk of gaining the whole physical world. And if you gain the whole world you will become so wealthy that it would be easier for an elephant to go through the eye of the needle my mother used for mending my socks, than you getting to heaven.

This still does not explain how being an agnostic is "playing it safe"?

Is the "danger" to one's "soul" averted by agnosticism, to your way of thinking?

@fmf said
Didn't you - "PettyTalk" - come here at the invitation of "Earl of Trumps" from the chat room of that website dealing with unexplained mysteries?

I first came here at RHP to play chess for a tournament which was for UM registered members. The question asked by the soul which you persist on persecuting was if I have used another registered name here at RHP. I have not.

Curiosity killed the cat, but if you must know, Earl and I have been playing chess games here well after the UM tourneys were over. We chat a good deal as we play, and Earl gets the credit for inviting me to be a member of the Club he belongs to here, and whose other members you are battling wits with, besides labeling some as paranoid and delusional.

Just keep in mind that I have incurable split multi personality complex, and I can become someone else on the spur of the moment.

@pettytalk said
I first came here at RHP to play chess for a tournament which was for UM registered members. The question asked by the soul which you persist on persecuting was if I have used another registered name here at RHP. I have not.

Curiosity killed the cat, but if you must know, Earl and I have been playing chess games here well after the UM tourneys were over. We chat a good ...[text shortened]... incurable split multi personality complex, and I can become someone else on the spur of the moment.

Then the issues of where exactly "elsewhere" is, and whether or not fibbed about this being the only website where you have used your current screen name are settled.

@pettytalk said
We chat a good deal as we play, and Earl gets the credit for inviting me to be a member of the Club he belongs to here, and whose other members you are battling wits with, besides labeling some as paranoid and delusional.

One of the members of that club has been calling things I post delusional and paranoid ~ and she has questioned my mental health ~ innumerable times over the last decade and a half.

On a fair few occasions over the years, she has diagnosed me as having malignant narcissistic personality disorder, and on at least one of those occasions, she has cited her own ongoing work on a master's in psychology as her authority and expertise.

It's her prerogative to do so.

@fmf said
According to Jesus the risk a soul runs is the risk of gaining the whole physical world. And if you gain the whole world you will become so wealthy that it would be easier for an elephant to go through the eye of the needle my mother used for mending my socks, than you getting to heaven.

This still does not explain how being an agnostic is "playing it safe"?

Is the "danger" to one's "soul" averted by agnosticism, to your way of thinking?

Again, the agnostic plays it safe when it comes to not being wrong about the existence of God, any God.

Agnostic? Looking it up as you suggest, is a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Again, I have already told you that in my opinion there is no risk to the soul by merely being agnostic, or atheist, or deist, not even to the poor souls who faithful believe some of the nonsense religions put in their heads.

However don't exclude the possibility that I may also be paranoid and delusional. And if I were you I would not believe what I believe, as then you run the risk of having others believe that you too are paranoid and delusional.

Seeing just how active you are in these forums, I better stop, as you are likely to drive me really crazy If I try to keep up with you.

Good night to you, if it's also night wherever you may be.

@fmf said
One of the members of that club has been calling things I post delusional and paranoid ~ and she has questioned my mental health ~ innumerable times over the last decade and a half.

On a fair few occasions over the years, she has diagnosed me as having malignant narcissistic personality disorder, and on at least one of those occasions, she has cited her own ongoing work on a master's in psychology as her authority and expertise.

It's her prerogative to do so.

We should start a club for those mentally different 🙂, the club forums would be fun, we could diagnose one another. Yes It’s a joke, I know you would never ever😉. BTW, I don’t think being a true agnostic is playing it safe.

@pettytalk said
Again, the agnostic plays it safe when it comes to not being wrong about the existence of God, any God.

In what way are they "safe"?

No one here can objectively prove anyone else "wrong" in terms of their belief in the existence of God.

@pettytalk said
Agnostic? Looking it up as you suggest, is a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

"Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and are agnostic because they claim that the existence of a divine entity or entities is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact." - wiki

I am open to the idea that there is a creator entity of some kind but I am completely unconvinced by the anthropomorphization that the so-called revealed religions ~ attendant to the Abrahamic God figure ~ engage in.

@pettytalk said
Again, the agnostic plays it safe when it comes to not being wrong about the existence of God, any God.

Agnostic? Looking it up as you suggest, is a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Again, I have already told yo ...[text shortened]... y crazy If I try to keep up with you.

Good night to you, if it's also night wherever you may be.

I have already told you that in my opinion there is no risk to the soul by merely being agnostic, or atheist, or deist, not even to the poor souls who faithful believe some of the nonsense religions put in their heads.

If there is no risk and no danger then what does the "safe" in "playing it safe" refer to?

@pettytalk said
However don't exclude the possibility that I may also be paranoid and delusional. And if I were you I would not believe what I believe, as then you run the risk of having others believe that you too are paranoid and delusional.

don't exclude the possibility that I may also be paranoid and delusional

I believe that the certain belief that one is immortal is delusional. I'm not sure where the notion of "paranoia" would fit into the superstructure of Christian faith, though.

@mike69 said
We should start a club for those mentally different 🙂, the club forums would be fun, we could diagnose one another. Yes It’s a joke, I know you would never ever😉. BTW, I don’t think being a true agnostic is playing it safe.

I don’t think being a true agnostic is playing it safe.

In what way does the word "true" modify the word "agnostic" to your way of thinking?

@fmf said
I don’t think being a true agnostic is playing it safe.

In what way does the word "true" modify the word "agnostic" to your way of thinking?

For my way of thinking it would be along the lines of someone going to church just to be seen, maybe peer pressure to fit in, along these lines. As someone of truth in the direction you’re speaking of for whatever reasons they truly believe what they say in their direction of conviction at a certain period of time or life long. I feel this is you, but of course I hope it’s only temporary.

@mike69 said
For my way of thinking it would be along the lines of someone going to church just to be seen, maybe peer pressure to fit in, along these lines.

Wait. A "true agnostic" is someone who goes to church just to be seen, snd maybe feels peer pressure to fit in?