18 May 05
Originally posted by telerionmy first thought is to wonder what you mean specifically by 'reality'.
And . . .
Is God a subset of his own creation?
(God here is Yahweh)
immediately, i see no reason why the existence of any god would need to be a necessary condition for reality, but i have only a vague notion in my head of what reality is, so i think we need to formulate a defintion of reality before we will get anywhere here...
do you have a definition in mind?
18 May 05
Originally posted by LemonJelloHmm . . . this is hard.
my first thought is to wonder what you mean specifically by 'reality'.
immediately, i see no reason why the existence of any god would need to be a necessary condition for reality, but i have only a vague notion in my head of what reality is, so i think we need to formulate a defintion of reality before we will get anywhere here...
do you have a definition in mind?
For dj2becker or Coletti, let 'reality' = everything that is real.
For the rest of us, I don't have a definition yet.
18 May 05
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Originally posted by telerionYahweh being the creator in the old testament.
And . . .
Is God a subset of his own creation?
(God here is Yahweh)
Since nobody comment on it when I posted it in RBH's Noah thread. I'll use the same arguement.
genesis chapter 9:11 states
11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
So if yahwah exists there should be no floods. Are there any floods today?
yes therefore Yahwah doesn't exist.
Further if yahwah doesn't exist, then Jesus's god "the lord" & mohammeds god "allah" which were born out of Yahwah also cannot exist.
Of course it is entirely possible that god exists in another form, just not Judaismic, Christain or Islamic. Unless you are prepared to discount some of the words from the bible.....................................
Plus if he doesn't exist then he can't create reality🙂
18 May 05
Originally posted by telerionGOD created all Angels and Man to live in the Law of good. But HE also created the Law of evil. The Law in which Angels or Mankind were not to enter into. GOD had created angels and mankind to serve and worship HIM. But HE gave them a choice to do so or not. When certain angels and Adam chose not to serve and obey GOD. That set in motion other laws that neither the diobedient angels or disobediant man knew nothing about. So in that sence GOD did create evil as is written in ISAIAH 45:7
Oh so sin and evil are "GOD"
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. ISAIAH 45:7
18 May 05
Originally posted by blindfaith101So evil is God. Sounds good bf101.
GOD created all Angels and Man to live in the Law of good. But HE also created the Law of evil. The Law in which Angels or Mankind were not to enter into. GOD had created angels and mankind to serve and worship HIM. But HE gave them a choice to do so or not. When certain angels and Adam chose not to serve and obey GOD. That set in motion other laws tha ...[text shortened]... and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. ISAIAH 45:7
I asked you a question that you have not completely answered. Is God the creator of reality?
19 May 05
Originally posted by blindfaith101at first glance, this sentence seems ludicrous. some pretty deranged things enter the minds of deranged men. why would god spend any effort creating such rubbish?
In fact there is nothing that can enter the mind of man, that GOD did not create.
19 May 05
Originally posted by telerionsupposing we start from an assumption that said god exists and created the universe, i would argue that god cannot be a subset of his own creation. it is not clear to me how something can simultaneously be both the creator and the creation in whole -- i think there would have to be at least some portion of the creator that is not created. thus he would not be a subset of his creation.
Is God a subset of his own creation?
(God here is Yahweh)
i am far from convinced that i am right here, so i would be interested to hear dissenting opinions.
19 May 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesGOD tempted Abraham, as it clearly says in GENESIS 22:1 Tempted in that since could also mean, tested his faith and obedience. Also in the way you think HE lied. HE gave Abraham, intructions inwhich Abraham followed until GOD gave him another set of intructions. Which would mean God changed HIS mind.
God told Abraham that he wanted him to kill his son.