Is Jesus of New T LORD/Jehovah of the Old T?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
by reading the text and making an evaluation withour own minds, otherwise all you
are doing is taking it upon trust, that is why its important to name , not the translators,
as if that tells you anything about the textual integrity, but the actual documents
themselves.

couldn't one simply do that with the plethora of known and trusted translations? No Robbo, you are being intellectually dishonest

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Jehovah is the source of salvation and it is expressed through his chief agent Christ.

you can count for yourself.

Jesus is not a chief agent, he is God

Originally posted by Doward
couldn't one simply do that with the plethora of known and trusted translations? No Robbo, you are being intellectually dishonest

known and trusted translations? excuse me i have a mind of my own and yes i even try
to use it from time to time to evaluate things for myself, whereas all you are
concerned with is taking it upon trust. I resent your term dishonest, you were
practically forced to produce the basis for your text, some of which i doubt you had
even heard of and here you are lecturing others as to the integrity of their text, its
mockworthy! especially considering your Greek text is a transcript and not a proper
translation.

I have no problem with alternative renderings, but i will not have you bad mouthing
the New world Translation, its hypocrisy for you to sate that we should have a
plethora of other translations and then try to exclude it, and on what basis, that the
translators wish to remain anonymous, and then to cite a transcript as if it were a
God send, you need to feel your bum mate to make sure your not dreaming.

Originally posted by Doward
Jesus is not a chief agent, he is God

No Jehovah is God, Jesus is Gods only begotten son, that is as to progeny and to time.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No Jehovah is God, Jesus is Gods only begotten son, that is as to progeny and to time.

John 1
The Deity of Jesus Christ
1(A)In the beginning was (B)the Word, and the Word was (C)with God, and (D)the Word was God.
2He was in the beginning with God.

3(E)All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

4(F)In Him was life, and the life was (G)the Light of men.
The Word Made Flesh
14And (A)the Word (B)became flesh, and (C)dwelt among us, and (D)we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of (E)grace and (F)truth




Jesus is God, not a god... THE God!

Originally posted by Doward
John 1
The Deity of Jesus Christ
1(A)In the beginning was (B)the Word, and the Word was (C)with God, and (D)the Word was God.
2He was in the beginning with God.

3(E)All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

4(F)In Him was life, and the life was (G)the Light of men.
The Word M ...[text shortened]... tten from the Father, full of (E)grace and (F)truth




Jesus is God, not a god... THE God!

yawn, here we go again, more trinity dogma, ok lets take the first one,

how is it that Christ is with God and God at the same time, please explain, how i am
with my wife and be my wife at the same time, that is after all, what your translation is
saying, is it not?

here it is,

He was in the beginning with God

Originally posted by Doward
John 1
The Deity of Jesus Christ
1(A)In the beginning was (B)the Word, and the Word was (C)with God, and (D)the Word was God.
2He was in the beginning with God.

3(E)All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

4(F)In Him was life, and the life was (G)the Light of men.
The Word M ...[text shortened]... tten from the Father, full of (E)grace and (F)truth




Jesus is God, not a god... THE God!

Don't bother with scripture becuase they will only claim miss-translation or obfuscate.

Ask a JW how many saviours they have and insist on the numerical answer.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yawn, here we go again, more trinity dogma, ok lets take the first one,

how is it that Christ is with God and God at the same time, please explain, how i am
with my wife and be my wife at the same time, that is after all, what your translation is
saying, is it not?

here it is,

He was in the beginning with God

He was in the beginning with God


and he was God, and the word became flesh. This passage is excedingly clear. It's no wonder the "anonymous" translators of the NWT resorted to changing the wording, it's a fatal blow to their heretical dogma

Originally posted by Doward
[b]He was in the beginning with God


and he was God, and the word became flesh. This passage is excedingly clear. It's no wonder the "anonymous" translators of the NWT resorted to changing the wording, it's a fatal blow to their heretical dogma[/b]

I shall repeat the question, how is it possible to be with someone and to be them at the
same time, you have not answered the question, merely repeating the assertion is not
an answer, again

how is it possible to be with someone and to be them at the same time.

One small piece of logic and your whole assertion is floundering, its mock worthy!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
One small piece of logic and your whole assertion is floundering, its mock worthy!

Surely not as mock worthy as your inability to tell an inquirer how many saviours you have?

Originally posted by divegeester
Surely not as mock worthy as your inability to tell an inquirer how many saviours you have?

you have a mind of your own, count up for yourself.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you have a mind of your own, count up for yourself.

Why do you refuse to say?

Originally posted by divegeester
Why do you refuse to say?

because i like people to use their own minds.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yawn, here we go again, more trinity dogma, ok lets take the first one,

how is it that Christ is with God and God at the same time, please explain, how i am
with my wife and be my wife at the same time, that is after all, what your translation is
saying, is it not?

here it is,

He was in the beginning with God

hubble bubble toil and trouble....

The projection of my personality on these boards is an alias you know as Agerg, but in real life there is also a Greg; my alias is with me and I am Agerg from your point of view when I'm on these boards tippy typing away but I am also Greg distinct from his computer monitor manifestation Agerg! Same argument could be applied to the trinity I suppose. ;]

Originally posted by Agerg
hubble bubble toil and trouble....

The projection of my personality on these boards is an alias you know as Agerg, but in real life there is also a Greg; my alias is with me and I am Agerg from your point of view when I'm on these boards tippy typing away but I am also Greg distinct from his computer monitor manifestation Agerg! Same argument could be applied to the trinity I suppose. ;]

and who then is the Holy spirit? your printer? your speakers? its not possible to be with
some one and to be them at the same time, as logic clearly demonstrates.

Greg is a Scottish name, i hope you honour its great historicity!