Is Jesus of New T LORD/Jehovah of the Old T?

Originally posted by divegeester
I don't see what you are getting at. The spirit of the LORD, spirit of Jesus, spirit of Christ, Holy Spirit are one and the same(in essence). I'm pretty sure you won't accept that, there it is.

I want to know how you can assert that this verse in Hosea that you have quoted 7
times? is a reference to Jesus, you say that it is, therefore I am asking you to prove
that its a reference to Jesus.

Originally posted by divegeester
The JW's are looking for a way to defend them having 2 saviours Jehovah and Jesus when:

[b]Hosea 13:4
"But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Saviour except me.

It's error. But they cannot/dare not admit it - to do so will lead to them leaving the JW organisation of being booted from it.[/b]

Yes, I did not see it before; the Father has not been given a name either.
He is just like the Holy Spirit, who has no other name. The name YHWH
was the name of the angel of the Lord, who was God. And as Justin Martyr
believed the angle of the Lord was the the preincarnate Jesus. So then,
the name YHWH or Jehovah is a name given to the Son, not the Father.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes, I did not see it before; the Father has not been given a name either.
He is just like the Holy Spirit, who has no other name. The name YHWH
was the name of the angel of the Lord, who was God. And as Justin Martyr
believed the angle of the Lord was the the preincarnate Jesus. So then,
the name YHWH or Jehovah is a name given to the Son, not the Father.

an utterly preposterous statement!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I want to know how you can assert that this verse in Hosea that you have quoted 7
times? is a reference to Jesus, you say that it is, therefore I am asking you to prove
that its a reference to Jesus.

No I didn't say that robbie. I'm using it as a refute to the JW claim of there being 2 saviours.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
an utterly preposterous statement!

But evidently true.

Originally posted by RJHinds
But evidently true.

no its not evidently true, its nonsense.

Originally posted by divegeester
No I didn't say that robbie. I'm using it as a refute to the JW claim of there being 2 saviours.

It obviously is a reference to Jesus, because we know He is the
only savior.

Originally posted by divegeester
No I didn't say that robbie. I'm using it as a refute to the JW claim of there being 2 saviours.

so it has no reference to Jesus and is used exclusively with respect to God, therefore God and Christ are different entities and not one and the same as you have asserted elsewhere.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It obviously is a reference to Jesus, because we know He is the
only savior.

then prove it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no its not evidently true, its nonsense.

I don't think so. Prove by the Scriptures that Jesus is not the only
savior.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I don't think so. Prove by the Scriptures that Jesus is not the only
savior.

soooo its an untrue and uncorroborated statement, without foundation, how intwesting, as for Christ being the only saviour, i have consistently stated that God, that is Jehovah is the source of salvation, accomplished through the Christ.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
then prove it.

"And we have beheld and bear witnes that the Father has sent
the Son to be the Savior of the world. (1 John 4:14 NASB)

Originally posted by RJHinds
"And we have beheld and bear witnes that the Father has sent
the Son to be the Savior of the world. (1 John 4:14 NASB)

As i was saying, Jehovah is the source, having sent the son, and salvation is
accomplished through the Christ, now you shall tell us, why in the instance at Hosea,
that Israel were supposed to put faith on the Christ when he was not yet manifest.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
As i was saying, Jehovah is the source, having sent the son, and salvation is
accomplished through the Christ, now you shall tell us, why in the instance at Hosea,
that Israel were supposed to put faith on the Christ when he was not yet manifest.

I just discovered that "Jehovah" was a name given to the Son a
few posts ago. According to Justin Martyr, an early church father,
the angel of the Lord, that appeared to Moses from the fire in the
midst of a bush, was the Son of God before He became flesh.
Angel means "messenger from God" so it seems Justin Martyr is
correct since the Father is the one that sends angels and is
the one that sent the Son into the world to save the world. Two
verses later Moses recognizes that it is God speaking to Him from
the midst of the bush for He said also, "I am the God of you father,
the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob."
Then Moses hide his face for he was afraid to look at God.
(Exodus 3:6) Later Moses inquires of his name, and God said to
Moses, I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons
of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you." (Exodus 3:14) After Moses
confronts Pharaoh as God told him. Moses then comes back to God.
Then the Lord said unto Moses, now shalt thou see what I will do to
Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a
strong hand shall he drive them out of his land. And God spake unto
Moses, and said unto him , I am the Lord: And I appeared unto
Abraham, unto Issac, and unto Jacob, by my name of God Almighty,
but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. (Exodus 6:1-3 KJV)

So, we see the name JEHOVAH was the name of the Son of God before
He became flesh and not the name of the Father.

Originally posted by RJHinds
"And we have beheld and bear witnes that the Father has sent
the Son to be the Savior of the world. (1 John 4:14 NASB)

John 5:19-22 (New Living Translation)

19 So Jesus explained, “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing. Whatever the Father does, the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him everything he is doing. In fact, the Father will show him how to do even greater works than healing this man. Then you will truly be astonished. 21 For just as the Father gives life to those he raises from the dead, so the Son gives life to anyone he wants. 22 In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, he has given the Son absolute authority to judge,


Do you get the point of these scriptures? They are very clear in explaining how this relationship between Jehovah and his son Jesus works. Jesus is put into the position by his Father as saviour BY HIS FATHER JEHOVAH. Jesus himself would have no power or authority over anything if his Father did't allow him to do so.
And no were not miss applying anything unless this scripture is lying.