20 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI can't see how you can make that claim regarding all 33,000 different denominations of Christianity and countless other faiths worldwide.
no not really for they will usually have differing personal opinions with say regard to
major issues, like divorce, or abortion, or homosexuality, or use of images in worship,
the use of contraceptives, or evolution, etc etc , we have none of these issues and are
down to an individual, convinced of the integrity of our claims. For example if you
asked any ordinary and not special one these things you may likely get differing
answers.
I am also well aware of the level of indoctrination that permeates your organisation. As a fellow JW said on this board a while back -
We all think the same, talk the same look the same
In short, we have been assimilated by the collective!!!!
20 Apr 11
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Originally posted by Proper Knobwell, you must not take his words out of context, he was referring of course to our
I can't see how you can make that claim regarding all 33,000 different denominations of Christianity and countless other faiths worldwide.
I am also well aware of the level of indoctrination that permeates your organisation. As a fellow JW said on this board a while back -
We all think the same, talk the same look the same
In short, we have been assimilated by the collective!!!!
worship, for of course we have room for individuality. For example if you go to an
international convention you will see persons occasionally dressed in their national
dress, Japanese ladies with Kimono, Indians with Sari, the G-man with his Stetson hat,
Mexicans with the sombrero etc etc
20 Apr 11
Originally posted by Proper KnobThe word brotherhood and the love that we would have among ourselves is something that stands out compaired to any other so called Christian religion. We will not go to war and kill anyone much less our own brothers. This may not mean a thing to you but a blind person could see this love we have among ourselves is different.
I can't see how you can make that claim regarding all 33,000 different denominations of Christianity and countless other faiths worldwide.
I am also well aware of the level of indoctrination that permeates your organisation. As a fellow JW said on this board a while back -
We all think the same, talk the same look the same
In short, we have been assimilated by the collective!!!!
And we are not all the same as I'm better looking then Robbie....Lol.
20 Apr 11
Originally posted by galveston75I'll take it you are never going to explain/respond and neither is robbie.
The word brotherhood and the love that we would have among ourselves is something that stands out compaired to any other so called Christian religion. We will not go to war and kill anyone much less our own brothers. This may not mean a thing to you but a blind person could see this love we have among ourselves is different.
And we are not all the same as I'm better looking then Robbie....Lol.
My dear friend...
20 Apr 11
Originally posted by divegeesterBump for Galveston.
When I ask if you are going to respond to the OP or the three detailed replies I gave to yours, I did not mean that you simply post more JW opinion. I'm asking you to explain the scriptures I've give in the OP, not to just keep telling everyone who disagrees with you or robbie that we have much to learn, or we "have know idea", or we can't see "the bigge ...[text shortened]... o trinity or duality - there is one God in several manifestations, including Jesus.
(or robbie)
21 Apr 11
Originally posted by divegeesterThe clue is in the word "Christian." Was it not in 1054 that the Greek Orthodox Patriarch and the Latin Pope excommunicated each other, establishing the split in a Church that was for centuries undivided albeit diverse? So for about a thousand years they share the same history surely? The Eastern Church always had a more mystical character and the Latin Church really only pulled itself into its distinctive shape after this date though the gap grew from earlier origins. The Latin Church was really not very impressive in the early centuries of Christian history. As it expanded across Europe with the Franks, by force rather than conversion, it eliminated earlier Christian traditions, notably the Celtic / Irish.
But are you familiar with what many orthodox Christians or the many other Christian sects believe about the Godhead?
Now the Gnostics and others were interesting and curious and certainly the early Church (from the time of Constantine) set about establishing an orthodoxy which eliminated many strands within the Roman Empire, leaving a few interesting outliers.
So to a large degree, modern Christianity dates from Constantine's first Council. Actually this is just another example of the way Christians have been allowed to write their own history and delete anything deviant. This does not improve the historical value of the New Testament. The texts date back to Paul and co but they are not a complete set of all that was written and much is irretrievably lost. Stalin had similar ideas about history.
21 Apr 11
Originally posted by Proper KnobThey Are Borg!!!!!
I can't see how you can make that claim regarding all 33,000 different denominations of Christianity and countless other faiths worldwide.
I am also well aware of the level of indoctrination that permeates your organisation. As a fellow JW said on this board a while back -
We all think the same, talk the same look the same
In short, we have been assimilated by the collective!!!!
21 Apr 11
Originally posted by galveston75So where is justice? Some dude murders your wife (God forbid) does that person deserve to die? This is what is meant by an eye for an eye. This actually puts value on life if you think about it. It means if you murder then you will be killed. Love is not always some lala fairytale like you may think.
The word brotherhood and the love that we would have among ourselves is something that stands out compaired to any other so called Christian religion. We will not go to war and kill anyone much less our own brothers. This may not mean a thing to you but a blind person could see this love we have among ourselves is different.
And we are not all the same as I'm better looking then Robbie....Lol.
Manny
21 Apr 11
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Originally posted by divegeesterBump for Galveston (I think robbie has decided not to respond)
Bump for Galveston.
(or robbie)
When I ask if you are going to respond to the OP or the three detailed replies I gave to yours, I did not mean that you simply post more JW opinion. I'm asking you to explain the scriptures I've give in the OP, not to just keep telling everyone who disagrees with you or robbie that we have much to learn, or we "have know idea", or we can't see "the bigger picture" etc etc. Can't you see that this makes you look like you don't know the answer and are just avoiding addressing it?
I see robbie has disappeared altogether from this thread no doubt telling you not to bother with me as I'm a lost cause or something. Perhaps he can help you explain the very precise scriptures in the OP.
Here are 2 of the points/scriptures you have completely avoided explaining:
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
I believe this quote from you was trying to explain why it contradicts JW doctrine on the Godhead:
Galveston: "But with the translations being altered in the past ever so slightly by ones that were trying to promote the trinity doctrine it easy to see why the confusions are there in most bibles."
My response was:
divegeester: So now you are attacking the infallibility of the Word of God to defend your position?
And you have since said in this thread (after some prompting) that the work of God is actually infallible. So why are you using your above quote to claim the scriptures I've given you are mistranslated?
And if Gods word is infalible (which we seem to agree on) then clearly it states without any ambiguity that the Child who is Prince of Peace and the Spirit who is the Wonderful Councillor are one and the same as the Everlasting Father and Mighty God?
There is no trinity or duality - there is one God in several manifestations, including Jesus.[/b]
21 Apr 11
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Originally posted by divegeesterThe Hebrew word used in Isaiah 9:6 for the term 'mighty god', in relation to Jesus Christ
Bump for Galveston (I think robbie has decided not to respond)
When I ask if you are going to respond to the OP or the three detailed replies I gave to yours, I did not mean that you simply post more JW opinion. I'm asking you to explain the scriptures I've give in the OP, not to just keep telling everyone who disagrees with you or robbie that we hav inity or duality - there is one God in several manifestations, including Jesus.[/b]
is different from the word used for Almighty God a term used exclusively for Jehovah
himself. How it it that you are now saying that they are one and the same? even
though scripture clearly differentiates between the two? this is the second time I have
posted this. There has also been lots of other points throughout this thread that you
have failed to either acknowledge or answer and i for one am not going to waste my
time posting details which you are either unwilling or unable to even acknowledge.
21 Apr 11
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Originally posted by menace71easily, because he gives life to all those who come to him in earnest. As Jaywill likes to
6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
How can He the Christ be called Eternal father?
Manny
point out, the Christ is a 'life giving spirit'.