26 Mar 07
Originally posted by josephwDid I say people weren't sinful?
Are you blind? Just look at the condition of the human race. We're on the verge of WW3 for crying out loud!
Have you seen the local news?
Don't try to tell me we aren't sinful. It's just too obvious.
Felt good to get that off my chess. Now I'm going to bed. It's late, I'm tired, and I've been whining all day. I've had a head cold for 3 days now. With a headache.
No, I reject the notion that the default position is that we are full of sin - that is, you're born that way.
That is ridiculous.
26 Mar 07
I’m wondering if Tyto’s question is really about one god being a more reasonable assumption than more than one. Whether polytheism is really less reasonable than monotheism... Other than parsimony, I can’t think why it should be.
I, however, am a monist, so I tend to think that in the end there is only one ultimate reality, not as a being, but as the ground of all being from which we are manifest, of which we are, in which we exist, and to which we return—and from which we are ultimately no more seperable than is the gulfstream from the ocean. If there are gods, I would still think it likely that they were also part of the ultimate whole, the totality manifest in myriad diverse forms.
My experiences of that wholeness and non-separability are no kind of proof, of course—not even to me. So, it’s back to parsimony perhaps; except that when we think in terms of figure-ground, that the tree I focus on is part of the forest of which it is, and that is part of..., and that is part of...—it does seem reasonable to think in terms of an ultimate totality.
26 Mar 07
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Originally posted by TytoThere is only one God, and there are many gods, a piece of wood
So there is more than one god, or are you saying there isn't?
can be called a god, a demon may present itself as a god, a god is
simply one of many, while God is simply the one true and only God.
You can have people be called gods, anything can be called a god,
but God basically isn't something you can have many of, if you do
have many of them, then you are dealing with a god not God.
Kelly
26 Mar 07
Originally posted by TytoI am curious how your pantheon is ordered. Many of the polytheistic religions have a very detailed pantheon with very specific roles, jobs, origins, offspring, demises, etc. How does your pantheon playout? And, based on what do you have these grand ideas?
Really what I want to know is why a theist proposes one god and not multiple gods.
I feel there must be multiples, I can't prove it of course, I just have faith.
Theists - am I wrong and why?
(please save the scripture lesson, I can read)
29 Mar 07
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Originally posted by TytoYou view gods as the parts of the whole as all the gears of a watch
It's just based on a belief that a universe so incoherently massive must need lots of gods to make it.
I don't have any hard evidence for it, but common sense says it must be so.
cause it to work so the gears are gods within the watch, but reject the
idea of lets say, all power really only rests in one place that sets up
all other powers and puts them into little boxes that limit them and
lays down the ground rules for how they can and not do things as that
power sees fit, as in the watch maker?
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29 Mar 07
Originally posted by amannionThere are many "good" people with a sin nature. What is meant is the "potential" to sin. Unbelievers live or "walk" by their 5 senses. They cannot help but to sin. Christians have a "choice." This is a difficult topic to explain to a Christian, and twice as difficult to an unbeliever...😳
Did I say people weren't sinful?
No, I reject the notion that the default position is that we are full of sin - that is, you're born that way.
That is ridiculous.
29 Mar 07
Originally posted by checkbaiterEveryone has the potential to sin. So what?
There are many "good" people with a sin nature. What is meant is the "potential" to sin. Unbelievers live or "walk" by their 5 senses. They cannot help but to sin. Christians have a "choice." This is a difficult topic to explain to a Christian, and twice as difficult to an unbeliever...😳
My 5 year old daughter has teh potential to sin. So what?
What is it about beinga Christian that gives you choice over your sin where I don't?
29 Mar 07
Originally posted by scottishinnzFaith Scott, I cannot add to it. I cannot prove it, I believe and act
Well, as you'd point out if I said that, "What you perceive to be your relationship with what you perceive to be God".
How do you know you got it right?
accordingly, my walk with God is personal, and real to me.
Kelly
29 Mar 07
Originally posted by amannionI'd say nothing is different between you and I or you and any other
Everyone has the potential to sin. So what?
My 5 year old daughter has teh potential to sin. So what?
What is it about beinga Christian that gives you choice over your sin where I don't?
Christian: however, when God enters your life you start seeing things
differently, life changes, you get a new life and what was normal no
longer seems right and necessary. When God isn't in your life there
isn't anything but the ways you have known all your life flowing though
you, when God enters you, sin becomes something you are more
aware of, and so too the need for change. The acts of sin are no
different than before, but you see them for what they are more clearly.
Kelly