Spirituality
28 Sep 21
@athousandyoung saidI am not naive to this perspective.
People back then didn't understand what they were seeing and so described their experiences as being caused by miracles. The same thing happens today but the educated among us understand that those people are mistaken.
Was the Great Flood a miracle i.e. sent by God to destroy all human life on earth? No, it was global warming causing the flooding of what is now the ...[text shortened]... as known to the Jews very early and it could have been a secret among them even longer than we know.
My OP is not meant to be asking for an explanation of wether the supernatural exists, it is aimed at Christians who believe that miracles existed back in biblical times, but don’t now, or perhaps do now in other forms.
@divegeester saidBut don't get me wrong -- I would absolutely love to see a miracle. If you can change my pile of bricks into gold, 95 percent of it is yours to keep, I promise.
@bunnyknight
I’m already aware that you don’t believe in miracles or the spiritual, thanks.
02 Oct 21
@bunnyknight saidI don’t do miracles, never have, sorry.
If you can change my pile of bricks into gold, 95 percent of it is yours to keep, I promise.
03 Oct 21
@divegeester saidHow do you feel about doing an interesting experiment?
I don’t do miracles, never have, sorry.
We convince every nation to set up a specific time when every single Christian on Earth, including the Pope, pray for God to convert a single copper penny into gold. If this super-simple miracle fails to happen, we make it clear that all worship and prayer will come to an end and God will be left alone and ignored for as long as that penny remains unchanged.
03 Oct 21
@bunnyknight saidInteresting for who? Certainly not God. God does not respond to such ultimatums.
How do you feel about doing an interesting experiment?
We convince every nation to set up a specific time when every single Christian on Earth, including the Pope, pray for God to convert a single copper penny into gold. If this super-simple miracle fails to happen, we make it clear that all worship and prayer will come to an end and God will be left alone and ignored for as long as that penny remains unchanged.
@rajk999 saidYou seem very confident in your answer. If God wouldn't respond to the entire planet praying for a simple harmless miracle, what if instead we turned all humanity to ashes in a global atomic war ... would he respond to that? What would he do with all his worshipers gone; cry, laugh, not care?
Interesting for who? Certainly not God. God does not respond to such ultimatums.
05 Oct 21
@bunnyknight saidFirst of all I would have to challenge the notion of the pope being a Christian (nothing controversial there then), and if you want to see something a bit special watch the vaccine passport turn into the Mark of The Beast (rev 13:16)
How do you feel about doing an interesting experiment?
We convince every nation to set up a specific time when every single Christian on Earth, including the Pope, pray for God to convert a single copper penny into gold. If this super-simple miracle fails to happen, we make it clear that all worship and prayer will come to an end and God will be left alone and ignored for as long as that penny remains unchanged.
@bunnyknight saidHave you read the bible? Does not seem that way. Your scenario is an ultimatum. Man is not capable of killing all Gods worshippers.
You seem very confident in your answer. If God wouldn't respond to the entire planet praying for a simple harmless miracle, what if instead we turned all humanity to ashes in a global atomic war ... would he respond to that? What would he do with all his worshipers gone; cry, laugh, not care?
06 Oct 21
@rajk999 saidAn atomic war could break out any day and it could easily wipe out humanity by radiation and starvation. I assume you are referring to those very few that would hide deep inside their trillion-dollar bunkers to save their skins -- but if they managed to survive do you really think God would look upon them favorably? I doubt it.
Have you read the bible? Does not seem that way. Your scenario is an ultimatum. Man is not capable of killing all Gods worshippers.
Regarding 'miracles', I'm still waiting to see one, and tired of only hearing about them.
@bunnyknight saidMeetooo ... never seen a miracle but not waiting to see one, neither do I care to see one. Makes no difference either way with me and I think this is the core difference between people. Some come to God with faith knowing that He exists. while others require, even demand proof of existence. The latter group is often disappointed.
An atomic war could break out any day and it could easily wipe out humanity by radiation and starvation. I assume you are referring to those very few that would hide deep inside their trillion-dollar bunkers to save their skins -- but if they managed to survive do you really think God would look upon them favorably? I doubt it.
Regarding 'miracles', I'm still waiting to see one, and tired of only hearing about them.
I know of immature Christians fooled by their pastors and churches into believing that they can demand proof of existence otherwise they will commit suicide and they end up dead. Actually the bible is misleading in that point. Jesus said that if you have faith you can drink poison and no harm will come to you. That passage needs to be understood properly but churches misuse it.
A lot of the miralces you hear about in churches is a sham and done by crooked pastors.
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IT would be a genuine miracle to see you write here:
"I Rajk999, gladly confess here not before any one person but before all, Jesus Christ is Lord of all." Or the equivalent confession in your own clear words.
It would be a miracle for you to write that you confess Jesus is Lord publicly. For " . . . no one can say, Jesus is Lord! except in the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor. 12:3b)
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06 Oct 21
@sonship saidIt would be a genuine miracle if you posted something of your own creation.
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IT would be a genuine miracle to see you write here:
"I Rajk999, gladly confess here not before any one person but before all, Jesus Christ is Lord of all." Or the equivalent confession in your own clear words.
It would be a miracle for you to write that you confess Jesus is Lord publicly. For " . . . no one can say, Jesus is Lord! except in the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor. 12:3b)
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I could very easily same the same for you.
Why is creative originality the sole criteria for you to receive truth ?
The truly hungry for truth don't worry about repetition.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidIt might be a miracle if you whined half as much for the erroneous stuff Rajk999 feeds you as when I tell you something.
It would be a genuine miracle if you posted something of your own creation.
I mean if you want to play atheist with an orthodox fundamentalist wariness, Rajk999 is a happy hunting ground for you. Ironic how unchallenged he goes from you.
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I get the impression from peoples reports and comments that miracles are alive and well in all these churches. They claim to have the Holy Spirit, they speak in tongues, they prophesy, they heal the sick, the blind see, the deaf hear, the lame walk. They are all saved and they all have eternal life. Have you not heard all those reports?
"Originality Police" Go get em!
Why he sounds just like Charles Russell the founder of the JWs.
Go get that non-original regurgitation Ghost!