Is there any hope for mankind?

Originally posted by FMF
Did your creator figure not foresee the events that resulted in the "death option" He also created being activated? If you think He did, then it's not very logical or honest for you to claim that "Our Creator made us to live". It's like claiming that manufacturers create light bulbs to last forever when they clearly don't.

You are dissecting an ancient Hebre ...[text shortened]... your impotence and endless talk about your conjecture about fear and dreams and your impotence.

Look who's calling whom "deluded and self-serving".

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If you can think of a more beautiful hope for mankind then feel free to express it, I know of none.

Just that expressed in the Bible before the JWs decided to twist those words to support their bizarro dogma.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Look who's calling whom "deluded and self-serving".

How so? How is my response to the question 'Is there any hope for mankind?' "deluded"? And how can it be seriously described as "self-serving"?

Originally posted by Suzianne
Just that expressed in the Bible before the JWs decided to twist those words to support their bizarro dogma.

So that would be no I cannot think of anything other than repeat the same inane drivel. Ok I understand, you have NO imagination and you don't know of any other hope that is as beautiful and you simply like to repeat inane drivel in the hope that it might become real one day.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If dying was natural we would welcome it and rejoice, no one rejoices about having to lose a loved one.

"Natural" includes things both good and bad. It's a lie of the ego that nothing bad must ever happen to us; a refusal to see the world as it is.

Originally posted by FMF
How so? How is my response to the question 'Is there any hope for mankind?' "deluded"? And how can it be seriously described as "self-serving"?

"You are dissecting an ancient Hebrew fairy tale and basing deluded, self-serving assertions upon it."

Okay, verbatim from your own diatribe:
"ancient Hebrew fairy tale"
"deluded, self-serving assertions"
"some sort of hope"
"psychological circumstances"
"one can hardly credibly contend"
"such fantasies"
"in any real sense"
"conjecture about fears and dreams and your impotence"
"conjecture about fear and dreams and your impotence" (you thought this was so good you had to include it twice)

As I said, "Look who's calling whom 'deluded' and 'self-serving'."

I think my comment speaks for itself.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
"Natural" includes things both good and bad. It's a lie of the ego that nothing bad must ever happen to us; a refusal to see the world as it is.

This good and bad is making the issue a moral one, tis a construct of the mind.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
So that would be no I cannot think of anything other than repeat the same inane drivel. Ok I understand, you have NO imagination and you don't know of any other hope that is as beautiful and you simply like to repeat inane drivel in the hope that it might become real one day.

robbie: "repeat the same inane drivel"

robbie:"repeat inane drivel"


I'm not the one quite literally "repeating inane drivel". That would be you.

Originally posted by Suzianne
[b]"You are dissecting an ancient Hebrew fairy tale and basing deluded, self-serving assertions upon it."

Okay, verbatim from your own diatribe:
"ancient Hebrew fairy tale"
"deluded, self-serving assertions"
"some sort of hope"
"psychological circumstances"
"one can hardly credibly contend"
"such fantasies"
"in any real sense"
"conjecture abo ...[text shortened]... "Look who's calling whom 'deluded' and 'self-serving'."

I think my comment speaks for itself.[/b]

I think roigam's hope for mankind ~ which is one of living in the flesh forever - having been raised from the dead - on an earth turned into a paradise after all non-JW humans have been slaughtered and destroyed - is "deluded" and, as a recruitment tool to bring weak minded people into his organization, also "self-serving".

How can my expressed hope for mankind seriously be described as either "deluded" or "self-serving" in any remotely comparable way?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
As atheism is neither a religion or belief system, is this question not open to us?

You do not run your life by a system of beliefs with or without a title for them?

Originally posted by Suzianne
robbie: "repeat the same inane drivel"

robbie:"repeat inane drivel"


I'm not the one quite literally "repeating inane drivel". That would be you.

I think we can prove that you incessantly talk inane drivel, tell us what hope the Bible holds out for mankind. This should be good.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You do not run your life by a system of beliefs with or without a title for them?

I certainly live my life according to what I believe to be real and important.

The point was however that what I believe to be 'real and important' is not within a box labelled 'atheism.' (My atheism is just a lack of belief in the thing you believe in, not a replacement for it). A great many things help shape the way I view the world.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I certainly live my life according to what I believe to be real and important.

The point was however that what I believe to be 'real and important' is not within a box labelled 'atheism.' (My atheism is just a lack of belief in the thing you believe in, not a replacement for it). A great many things help shape the way I view the world.

Would you care to share those beliefs with us and how you came to believe them?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Would you care to share those beliefs with us and how you came to believe them?

Let us call them 'truths' rather than 'beliefs' (so as not to befuddle you) but not 'absolute truths.'

So for example, I hold to the truth that the world we live on is a sphere. I base this 'truth' on evidence that has convinced me that the Earth is indeed spherical (Images from outer space showing the curvature of the planet etc). However, as no truth is absolute, if new evidence was presented that the Earth was actually pentagonal, and this evidence was more compelling than the spherical evidence, then my perception of truth would change.

In other words, the truths that I adhere to are based on the most up to date and compelling evidence and are open to modification and replacement. (And in this context, my atheism is irrelevant).

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
This question is open to all religions and belief systems or (simply beliefs). What hope does your religion/beliefs hold for mankind?

None whatsoever, unless they receive Jesus Christ, the world will eventually be destroyed.