04 Mar 22
@josephw saidAgain we aren’t that far away. I agree with the central thought but am not sure that in will be in Jerusalem as we know it (wouldn’t it be great if it was, especially if you got to meet him ?!)
I sat under the teaching of dispensationalism for years. There are numerous positions from one extreme to the other. All have some valid points, but none are ever exactly right. I outgrew and moved on.
It, imo, boils down to Jesus Christ ruling the world in Jerusalem for a thousand years with Israel at the center of the nations.
The Church? Traveling at the speed of tho ...[text shortened]...
I don't have it all nailed down yet, not by a long shot. I'd appreciate all the help I can get!
As for Israel at the centre I’m not sure, but am looking forward to finding out. If you look at world events the kingdom is knocking at the door. Personally I think that the vaccine passport will evolve into the mark of the beast (Rev 13:16) and then it will all seriously kick off.
What are your thoughts on that one Joseph ?
04 Mar 22
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@pb1022 saidThe two covenants are not the same. The law covenant was fulfilled in Jesus (proving that it could be done). Christ preached the Kingdom of God, and instigated the New Covenant which paved the way for a new heavenly arrangement through which the earth would be cleansed and restored.
You mean like saying only what Jesus Christ said to groups of people counts and not what He said to individuals and small groups?
Or saying Jesus and the Apostle Paul preached the same message except when they didn’t?
Or that Jesus granted the thief on the cross eternal life ‘cause Jesus saw all the good works the thief would have done if the thief hadn’t been caught and ...[text shortened]... me as the Old Covenant?
Yeah, false teachers and promoters of a false doctrine sure are mixed up!
As for Sonship he does have some interesting and very valid things to say; you have raised seven points in 21 lines, he would have taken probably five pages to illustrate what you have achieved in less than half a page, and there is no need for this. If you are going to post in a forum then there should be some respect for those trying to follow your rationale, by being concise.
On a personal note I actually like Sonship who when you get to know him is a very accomplished individual.
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04 Mar 22
@medullah said<<The two covenants are not the same. The law covenant was fulfilled in Jesus (proving that it could be done) who instigated the New Covenant>>
The two covenants are not the same. The law covenant was fulfilled in Jesus (proving that it could be done) who instigated the New Covenant which opened the door for a selected few to go to heaven.
As for Sonship he does have some interesting and very valid things to say; you have raised seven points in 21 lines, he would have taken probably five pages to illustrate what ...[text shortened]... I actually like Sonship who when you get to know him a bit better is a very accomplished individual.
Yes, I’m aware of this. I was summarizing the false doctrine of another poster who believes Christians live under the law and that Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was essentially meaningless.
<<which opened the door for a selected few to go to heaven.>>
I disagree with this - not only in terms of “selected” (I believe each individual can become saved via John 3:16 and Romans 10:9) but also in terms of “few” (I believe many people have been, are and will be saved, though the number, represented as a percentage of the world’s past, present and future populations, may seem few.)
05 Mar 22
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@medullah saidWe're very close.
Again we aren’t that far away. I agree with the central thought but am not sure that in will be in Jerusalem as we know it (wouldn’t it be great if it was, especially if you got to meet him ?!)
As for Israel at the centre I’m not sure, but am looking forward to finding out. If you look at world events the kingdom is knocking at the door. Personally I think that the vaccin ...[text shortened]... (Rev 13:16) and then it will all seriously kick off.
What are your thoughts on that one Joseph ?
You raise a difficult question to answer. Based on my understanding of the prophetic timetable, with regards to the timing of the mark of the beast, I believe it is instituted by the Antichrist in the middle of the seventieth week, the tribulation period.
There seems to be some kind of supernatural activity associated with the receiving of the mark, like pledging allegiance to Satan in the process. That's why those who get the mark are goners and cast into the lake of fire immediately at the physical return of Jesus to the earth.
I think almost all the things the governments and institutions that control everything have been pushing for obeisance through regulations, legislations and any other control devices, such as a manufactured pandemic, and are all designed to condition the minds of the masses to accept their rule, the capstone being the "strong delusion" sent by God.
Babylon is Satan's counterfeit of the New Jerusalem.
The stage is set. I think you will find this link astonishing, if you're not already familiar with it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PtATSQx3cjI
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As for Sonship he does have some interesting and very valid things to say; you have raised seven points in 21 lines, he would have taken probably five pages to illustrate what you have achieved in less than half a page, and there is no need for this. If you are going to post in a forum then there should be some respect for those trying to follow your rationale, by being concise.
On a personal note I actually like Sonship who when you get to know him is a very accomplished individual.
Thankyou. Its not a personal matter I asked about though.
These things take time.
Some of these things may take more time, even a life time.
I did not yet get adaquate answer from you on question or two I carefully laid out. I know I can be verbose. When I am seeking the truth I don't mind reading more to obtain it.
I think dismissal of posts too long for someone to read as "waffle" means it is unolkeasant for them emotionally perhaps, to read what may cause them to change their mind.
I note that you didn't really answer my question/s, but dismissed the questions.
I'll stop writing here.
06 Mar 22
@sonship saidIt's a nice narcissistic spin you're trying here. But I don't think it is the true cause for medullah's frequent complaint, and mine. Your long, long posts and stuff like 9 or 12 of them in a row is material that perhaps belongs on a blog. Meanwhile, you could use this message board as a message board and just converse with people on the level rather than as an ideologue or a propagandist.
I think dismimissal of posts too long for someone to read as "waffle" means it is unolkeasant for them emotionally perhaps, to read what may cause them to change their mind.
06 Mar 22
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@josephw saidThis paragraph by you is a good example of yours, and others here, circular-logic approach to the bible.
There seems to be some kind of supernatural activity associated with the receiving of the mark, like pledging allegiance to Satan in the process. That's why those who get the mark are goners and cast into the lake of fire immediately at the physical return of Jesus to the earth.
Here it is:
1) I believe that everything in the bible is literal (except the talking snake apparently)
2) eternal suffering is true and just
3) I’m not exactly sure what the mark of the beast is
4) but because I believe in 1) and 2) then 3) must be something like “pledging allegiance to Satan”
5) because they are “goners” as in 2)
6) because 1)
This of course ignores your casual contempt for those experiencing 2) simply because 1).
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@FMF
Encourage medullah to consider answering the questions.
The issue is the insinuation that during the mellennium Christ reigns on earth while those of His faithful followers remain in heaven to be a government over the earth from there.
The issue is the he seems to make a distinction that those left in heaven to be a government as anointed with spirit (which I didn't get a real feel for what he meant) and those left on earth to inherit it who apparently are absent of this anointing of spirit.
These were the two main points.
Mr. medullah, take your time. But you'd have to explain this to me.
06 Mar 22
@sonship saidNo. If you want to treat him like a blog reader or as your student, then do so. I simply suggest you consign your parasitic blogging type activity to a blog, and then treat him andvothers as a conversationalist, an equal, and don't try to hairdryer him with huge slabs of performative Gish gallop text.
Encourage medullah to consider answering the questions.
06 Mar 22
@divegeester saidYou're projecting your fixation.
This paragraph by you is a good example of yours, and others here, circular-logic approach to the bible.
Here it is:
1) I believe that everything in the bible is literal (except the talking snake apparently)
2) eternal suffering is true and just
3) I’m not exactly sure what the mark of the beast is
4) but because I believe in 1) and 2) then 3) must be something ...[text shortened]... cause 1)
This of course ignores your casual contempt for those experiencing 2) simply because 1).
06 Mar 22
@fmf saidDo you feel like sonship is crowding you into a corner?
No. If you want to treat him like a blog reader or as your student, then do so. I simply suggest you consign your parasitic blogging type activity to a blog, and then treat him andvothers as a conversationalist, an equal, and don't try to hairdryer him with huge slabs of performative Gish gallop text.
07 Mar 22
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@josephw saidNot in the slightest. As has been observed by plenty of other posters too ~ sometimes on peculiar egotistical threads he starts himself where he invites evaluation... which invariably end badly for him ~ sonship could conduct himself in a way here that is far more valuable and perhaps more effective in terms of what he wants to achieve.
Do you feel like sonship is crowding you into a corner?
07 Mar 22
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe Lord's plan is secret. Unknown to even his çlosest.
@sonship said
The eternal plan of God is that God would be SEEN in that God would be (if you will) WE-IZED. God would mass produce the mingling of humanity and divinity of the Firstborn Son of God.
Do other Christians recognize the above as God's eternal plan, as laid out in scripture? Or has sonship completely lost the plot?
I play the cards I'm dealt. I follow my own righteous path come hell or highwatér .
I engage my woman, work on my guitar business and maintain the home. I live my life without superstition.
Is God's plan eternal???
What kind of question is this?
In this forum
?
I'm this context?
I'm sorry but whether you doing on purpose or accidentally it's not good enough