Islam is a Scourge

Originally posted by whodey
If you do not think that the holocaust had anything to do with the formation of the Jewish state then I simply don't know what to say other than you are wrong.

There are one of two possibilities, either the US wanted to establish the Jewish state or they did not. If they wanted to establish the Jewish state as you say they were simlply provided a reason t ...[text shortened]... officially as the reason but to say it did not provide the push needed I think is simply wrong.

I read in a book I don't remember now, that there was a suggestion to give Jews another part of the world (either in south Africa or South America I don't remember exactly), but they choosed Palastine because it matches the purposes of all parties. ( I know I may look silly because I don't remember either the book or the place, but forgive me for that).

For the Zionest it will give them their dream of building their state in the promised land.

For Christians it is the fulfillment of the Biblical prophecies.

And for others, they had their base in the area, which is later used to control the oil sources in the area.

So it is a mixed political/religious reasons were behind the establishment of that state. The only problem is that in all these calculations Arabs and Muslims in particular were our of the equation. No one thought about them when that project was designed, and that is the problem.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
In part, yes. We have a strong Jewish informal lobby.

Others like Israel because they have a culture that is more like ours than the neighboring Muslim nations do.

Some also support Israel because it's necessary to summon Jesus to destroy the world in the End Times. Those'd be the people who elected Bush.

I think you're describing a very re ...[text shortened]... or, but it's not the only one.

By "realpolitik" you mean American realpolitik, right?

The existence of some part of the US population holding the three views you state is not an important factor in the elites' decision to fully arm and support Israel.

By "realpolitik", I mean "realpolitik"; the elites I am referring to are not exclusively US citizens.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
A totally random part of the Koran. I didn't even read it, I just copy-pasted it:

61: The Ranks

61:1 All that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth glorifieth Allah, and He is the Mighty, the Wise.
61:2 O ye who believe! Why say ye that which ye do not ?
61:3 It is most hateful in the sight of Allah that ye say that which ye do ...[text shortened]... d. Then We strengthened those who believed against their foe, and they became the uppermost.

Can I ask you what is the purpose of posting these verses? What is your point?

Originally posted by Rajk999
I condemn muslims who support the killing of adulterers and apostates. But I support the Jews defense of their homeland. How is that a double-standard?

I condemn all violence that is pointless. Sometimes violence is necessary.

You said, that you support Isreal because its existance fulfill Biblical prophecies about the second coming of Jesus.

You said nothing about Jews right to defend themselves.

Now you change your opinion. And that is considered lying. So add that to the previous list of being hypcrite and double standard.

Do you denay the right for Muslims to defend themselves? Or according to your double standards Muslims have no right to defend themselves but Jews do?

Originally posted by ahosyney
You said, that you support Isreal because its existance fulfill Biblical prophecies about the second coming of Jesus.

You said nothing about Jews right to defend themselves.

Now you change your opinion. And that is considered lying. So add that to the previous list of being hypcrite and double standard.

Do you denay the right for Muslims to defend ...[text shortened]... s? Or according to your double standards Muslims have no right to defend themselves but Jews do?

Do you realise what a totally stupid post this is?
There are many reasons why I support Israel.
One reason is its connection with the Bible and its prophecies.
Another one is that I believe they deserve the right to return to their homeland.
Yet another !! ... is that they have a right to defend themselves.
And another, Is that I dont care for the Islamic faith.

So 4 reasons in all. Are any mutually exclusive? Is there some law that says you must have only one reason ... 😀

Yes .. muslims can defend themselves. Its not going to do much good, they will still get their butts kicked .. but they have that right.

Originally posted by ahosyney
Can I ask you what is the purpose of posting these verses? What is your point?

I wanted to see if Scriabin is right in implying the Koran is full of such things. The random sample I pulled is not really supportive of his claim.

Originally posted by no1marauder
The existence of some part of the US population holding the three views you state is not an important factor in the elites' decision to fully arm and support Israel.

By "realpolitik", I mean "realpolitik"; the elites I am referring to are not exclusively US citizens.

Which elites? Who are you talking about? The Freemasons? The Illuminati? All the Presidents and Congresspeople in the US government, are they part of this? CEOs? Who is and who is not part of this "elite" and how do you know their collective will?

Politics based on practical considerations are not the same for different people. It seems you mean the realpolitik of some shadowy organization of Western elites, or do these "Elites" stretch into Middle Eastern governments and power structures too?

Originally posted by Rajk999
You did not read my post properly. i simply used India as an example of how someone can visit a country and still not know anything about it.

So you think that someone needs to go to Mars to know what the living conditions etc etc are like?

Nobody lives on Mars. There is no air. Nothing subjective about that.

India is not primitive, and since you've never been there, who are you to judge? Even on the Middle East, for that matter?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Do you realise what a totally stupid post this is?
There are many reasons why I support Israel.
One reason is its connection with the Bible and its prophecies.
Another one is that I believe they deserve the right to return to their homeland.
Yet another !! ... is that they have a right to defend themselves.
And another, Is that I dont care for the Isla ...[text shortened]... s not going to do much good, they will still get their butts kicked .. but they have that right.

Do you realise what a totally stupid post this is?
There are many reasons why I support Israel.
One reason is its connection with the Bible and its prophecies.

So-called prophecies. Not really true.

Another one is that I believe they deserve the right to return to their homeland.
Yet another !! ... is that they have a right to defend themselves.
And another, Is that I dont care for the Islamic faith.

These three kind of tie together, and show your ignorance. They revoked their right to a homeland at the start of the ethnic cleansing program.

Originally posted by scherzo
Nobody lives on Mars. There is no air. Nothing subjective about that.

India is not primitive, and since you've never been there, who are you to judge? Even on the Middle East, for that matter?

Have you ever been there? How do you know there is no air and that nobody lives there?

Originally posted by scherzo
[b]Do you realise what a totally stupid post this is?
There are many reasons why I support Israel.
One reason is its connection with the Bible and its prophecies.[/b]

So-called prophecies. Not really true.

Another one is that I believe they deserve the right to return to their homeland.
Yet another !! ... is that they have a right to defend ...[text shortened]... ignorance. They revoked their right to a homeland at the start of the ethnic cleansing program.

Im ignorant because I dont like Islam or because I choose to support Israel?

Regardless its my choice and I think you are F***ing out of place.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I wanted to see if Scriabin is right in implying the Koran is full of such things. The random sample I pulled is not really supportive of his claim.

I didn't imply anything - I said it straight out and then quoted an extensive list of verse --

implied?

not really supportive?

What's wrong with your reading comprehension? Were you in the bathroom when they passed out the brains?

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Which elites? Who are you talking about? The Freemasons? The Illuminati? All the Presidents and Congresspeople in the US government, are they part of this? CEOs? Who is and who is not part of this "elite" and how do you know their collective will?

Politics based on practical considerations are not the same for different people. It seems you mean t ...[text shortened]... ites, or do these "Elites" stretch into Middle Eastern governments and power structures too?

No ridiculous conspiracy theories are necessary. If you are so naive as to believe that the US support for Israel over the last 60 years is based on the "Jewish lobby" or because "they're our friends" (ask the guys on the USS Liberty about that one) or because some religious nuts believe that it will help when Jesus drops by again, that's your call. I prefer to believe that powerful people decide to do things based on what they think is most advantageous to their own interests. Guess that's a little too "X-Files" for you.

Originally posted by Scriabin
I didn't imply anything - I said it straight out and then quoted an extensive list of verse --

implied?

not really supportive?

What's wrong with your reading comprehension? Were you in the bathroom when they passed out the brains?

Jesus, you're a dick. No wonder why Junior couldn't wait to bail.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Have you ever been there? How do you know there is no air and that nobody lives there?

You don’t have to go there in person nor does anyone have to live for us to know that there is no breathable atmosphere there.

We know from spectral analysis through the use of telescopes that the atmosphere of mars is extremely thin and has no oxygen. So there is certainly no breathable air there. This was also confirmed by the instruments on the probes sent there. Nothing subjective about that.