Originally posted by DoctorScribblesAnd we must not forget to relentlessly ridicule George W Bush and all the people who elected him into office and supported his terrorist actions in Iraq.
By relentlessly ridiculing Islam on the Internet.
And lets not forget the Christians as there are some Christians who don't respect women.
Originally posted by twhiteheadLet's not ridicule white guys who pretend to be black on the Internet, no. They real cool.
And we must not forget to relentlessly ridicule George W Bush and all the people who elected him into office and supported his terrorist actions in Iraq.
And lets not forget the Christians as there are some Christians who don't respect women.
As long as we permit "Religions" (particurlarly Christianism and Islam regardless their countless heresies) to prevail over common sense, democracy, philosophy and civil/ penal law, we will have a big problem.
I mentioned earlier that the Muslims are living constantly in the past but I took not a decent answer. Instead, we saw the same ole scenario -countless quotes from the Bible, NT, OT and Quran, which as usually were used as an excuse for the actions and the beliefs of both Christians and Muslims.
Muslims keep on coming in Europe and USA and they constantly try to change the very essence of the democracies that accepted them in their soil. Nobody has the right to kill in the name of his "god" ("god": what an invention!"😉, however we know very well that the Muslim citizens will never refrain from this attitude.
The spritituality of the individual is a thing, and I respect everybodys' opinion and spirituality. But I accept not to live the way the Bible or the Quran teaches, and as a free citizen in a free country I have the right to do so. But Islam countries and the spirit of Freedom is a totally ruined concept. You Muslims have the right to live the way you please in your countries, but kindly please leave the citizens of the countries which accepted you in their soil to live too the way they want.
On the other hand, the crimes of the so called Christians are well known too, but at least in the West the citizens managed to separate the state from the church.
Fianally, common sense is not part of a "Religion"; the so called Christians and the so called Muslims will never understand this fact and the reason is simple: both of them are followers, dead sure that every human being is born sinful, dead sure that their very "Religion" serves better their "gods" and themselves, dead sure that they are the "beloved" ones -the "slaves of the God"-, dead sure that only them they have access to the "Truth".
How pathetic to live an entire life as a slave. The "believers" hardly can even think to emancipate themselves from mental slavery;
Originally posted by black beetleI live in a city with a large Muslim population, well represented in all strata of society. They certainly aren't living in the past.
I mentioned earlier that the Muslims are living constantly in the past but I took not a decent answer.
You strike me as a fairly typical Greek bigot. Talk about living in the past. What's Greece got to offer except some old buildings and the worst-smelling city in Europe?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageFighting bigotry with bigotry, Bosse? 😕
I live in a city with a large Muslim population, well represented in all strata of society. They certainly aren't living in the past.
You strike me as a fairly typical Greek bigot. Talk about living in the past. What's Greece got to offer except some old buildings and the worst-smelling city in Europe?
edit: "I live in a city with a large Muslim population, well represented in all strata of society. They certainly aren't living in the past.
You strike me as a fairly typical Greek bigot. Talk about living in the past. What's Greece got to offer except some old buildings and the worst-smelling city in Europe?"
So in your opinion, dear GM, this answer of yours is decent🙂
Originally posted by black beetleThe first part is a decent response drawing from personal experience. The second part is merely responding to you in kind. Feel free to respond to either, both, or none, my little scarab.
edit: "I live in a city with a large Muslim population, well represented in all strata of society. They certainly aren't living in the past.
You strike me as a fairly typical Greek bigot. Talk about living in the past. What's Greece got to offer except some old buildings and the worst-smelling city in Europe?"
So in your opinion, dear GM, this answer of yours is decent🙂
Originally posted by black beetleAnd if they are truly democracies as you claim, then they have every right to do so. Last time I looked the definition of 'democracy' did not have any clause giving preference to voters who have lived there longest - and I doubt that american indians have ever been granted extra votes based on their ancestry.
Muslims keep on coming in Europe and USA and they constantly try to change the very essence of the democracies that accepted them in their soil.
Most of my Muslim friends ancestors arrived in Africa long before my own ancestors.
You also seem to be confusing the religion of Islaam, with the people and cultures of certain countries in an around the middle east.
Originally posted by twhiteheadThe very essence of a democracy is that every citizen respects the opinion of any other. Muslims tend to act irrationally whenever they estimate that their religion and beliefs are critisized, just as some Christians use to do.
And if they are truly democracies as you claim, then they have every right to do so. Last time I looked the definition of 'democracy' did not have any clause giving preference to voters who have lived there longest - and I doubt that american indians have ever been granted extra votes based on their ancestry.
Most of my Muslim friends ancestors arrived ...[text shortened]... ion of Islaam, with the people and cultures of certain countries in an around the middle east.
You people seem unable even to discuss a slightest different opinion, particularly when it has to do with your religion. The sole truth for a Christian/ Muslim religionist is whatever is quoted in the Bible/ OT/ NT/ Quran and nothing else matters. And when an ...infidel🙂 like myself asks some clear questions, he often receives sarcastic answers or arbitrary quotes from "an authentic good slave of the true God"; how pathetic.
In addition, I don't confuse "...the religion of Islam with the people and cultures of certain countries in an around the middle east". Point is that I am confused with the attitude of the religionists Christians and the Muslims to make poletics through their "Religion". How hard for a Christian/ Muslim to conceive such a naive thought;
Originally posted by black beetleHow bogus! As though extreme Republicans and Democrats, for example, respect each other's opinions.
The very essence of a democracy is that every citizen respects the opinion of any other. Muslims tend to act irrationally whenever they estimate that their religion and beliefs are critisized, just as some Christians use to do.
But Muslims are well integrated in the political culture of my country.
As for the rest of your post, I hope twhitehead will illustrate what a presumptuous fool you are.
Originally posted by black beetleMuslims tend to act irrationally whenever they estimate that their religion and beliefs are criticized, just as some Christians use to do.
The very essence of a democracy is that every citizen respects the opinion of any other. Muslims tend to act irrationally whenever they estimate that their religion and beliefs are critisized, just as some Christians use to do.
You people seem unable even to discuss a slightest different opinion, particularly when it has to do with your religion. The ough their "Religion". How hard for a Christian/ Muslim to conceive such a naive thought;
Of course you are wrong about this statement. Very wrong. I'm posting in this site for 3 years now, and I'm ready to answer your questions as much as I can. So Muslims don't have a problem with criticizing, they have a problem with insulting.
If you have a problem about Islam, you can ask a Muslim to make it clear for you, and you will find the answer. But when you start the discussion by saying the all Muslims are sick (I'm not taking about you in particular), or Islam is nonsense, how do you except a Muslim to go in the discussion with you.
About Muslims being living in the past, again you are confusing Islam, with Cultures and Countries. I think you take countries like Afghanistan as an Example that represent all Muslim, which is not correct.
Muslim contribute every where in all fields of science. If you check any university in North America you will find many Muslims in different fields of study, and they have a great contribution in their fields.
I myself study in a University in Canada, and I'm towards getting my PhD degree next year (In Sha Allah). And I'm not the only one in my University (although it is not a big one), there is big community of students in all fields.
I have never seen Islam stopping me from study, or to gain more knowledge.
There is no country in the world today you can call Islamic in the complete sense. Countries with Majority of Muslims not necessarily adopting Islam. For example, Egypt, my country, 95% of the population are Muslims, although the laws applied are the French ones except of some fields. So if you come to Egypt you can't relate Egyptians behaviour to Islam because the country is mainly secular.
EDIT: If you have a question you can ask, and I will try to answer. My be you will not be convenced, but I will try.