Islam is a Scourge

Originally posted by Rajk999
I agree with you that stereotyping is often (but not always) unfair. But you should appreciate that for the stereotype develop in the first place there must have been some experience that caused it. It takes time, often generations, to remove them. Would you say that muslims give a damn about who thinks what about them? I think they do not. So they dont really care about the stereotype assigned to them either ... would be my guess.

Ever been to the Mideast?

Originally posted by scherzo
Ever been to the Mideast?

No .. why? You think I need to go there to understand muslims.
I never been to India but I have a friends who visited and they came back saying that India a very developed and prosperous country. I know thats BS. Whats the big deal about actually going to a country.

Originally posted by Rajk999
The OT Bible has death to those people yes. The koran does not .. according to you.

Yet in Islamic countries we hear of death to adulterers and apostates.
But among Christians who follow the Bible, there is no such thing.

How come ?

32. �18. If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:�

- Deuteronomy, 21/18

33. �19. Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;�

- Deuteronomy, 21/19

34. �20. And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.�

- Deuteronomy, 21/20

35. �21. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die; so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.�

- Deuteronomy, 21/21


Thank the Enlightenment, not the Bible or Christianity, for doing away with these religiously mandated horrors. Soon enough the Muslim world will have its own version of the Enlightenment, if the West stops its incessant interference with the natural development of these societies.

Originally posted by no1marauder
... if the West stops its incessant interference with the natural development of these societies.

You might be absolutely right.

Maybe they should stop interefering with the West and Israel and then they can sit and wait for their Enlightment Age to arrive.

But somehow I doubt it. The Koran is very unyielding. Christ paved the way for Christians to break free of old rules and laws that no longer apply. Without some very strong Imams that Age of Enlightment for islam is unlikely.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You might be absolutely right.

Maybe they should stop interefering with the West and Israel and then they can sit and wait for their Enlightment Age to arrive.

But somehow I doubt it. The Koran is very unyielding. Christ paved the way for Christians to break free of old rules and laws that no longer apply. Without some very strong Imams that Age of Enlightment for islam is unlikely.

Israel is a neo-colonialist outpost of the West in Muslim territory. It's reason for existence (as far as realpolitik is concerned) is to threaten the Arab states.

Muslim interference with the West is minimal, while Western troops occupy large swatches of Muslim land and their politicans saber rattle to attack more.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Israel is a neo-colonialist outpost of the West in Muslim territory. It's reason for existence (as far as realpolitik is concerned) is to threaten the Arab states.

Muslim interference with the West is minimal, while Western troops occupy large swatches of Muslim land and their politicans saber rattle to attack more.

I would like to thank you for this post. That is the summary of the story.

Originally posted by Scriabin
Faith enables a person to fool himself into thinking that he is maintaining his standards of reasonableness, while forsaking them. Religion remains the only mode of discourse that encourages grown men and women to pretend to know things they manifestly do not (and cannot) know. If ever there were an attitude at odds with science, this is it. And the faithfu ...[text shortened]... correctness. It is not respect for the abject religious certainties of the mob. It is reason.

Which country in the world today is occupied by Muslims?

Which country in the world today is bombed by smart bombs created by Muslims?

Sir, the problem started when the west leave its lands and tried to create a new kingdom in the Muslim lands.

Check the history to see that.

I don't know what are you talking about. The source of the problem is you, when you judge others with your own standards that they don't accept.

I don't accept your standards although you insist to use them aganist me. Why your standards are so good? What give them any creditability? Nothing !!!

Why do you want Muslims review their behaviour while you don't even your realize that your own behaviour is the source of the problem.

Muslims didn't go to Jews in every where in the world to kill them. Jews collected in Muslim lands and started to kill Muslims there.

Muslims never invaded England and killed british there. England Invaded many Muslim countries and killed Muslims there.

Muslims never invaded France and killed French there. French left their country and occupied Muslim countries and killed Muslim there.

Same goes for spain, Italy and if Germany was given a chance it would have made the same.

Now you see USA occupying Iraq and killing Muslims there.

Now do you want to know why there is evil on earth. It is definitly not Islam, it is the west that think it is own standard is the only correct one, and want to force every one else on earth to live according to those standard, and if they choosed not to do that, the answer will be what we see in Iraq and Afganestan, Destruction.

Originally posted by ahosyney
I would like to thank you for this post. That is the summary of the story.

Whether Israel is right or wrong, she is there to stay.
Its only when Mideast muslims accept this fact can the Age of Enlightment begin.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Whether Israel is right or wrong, she is there to stay.
Its only when Mideast muslims accept this fact can the Age of Enlightment begin.

I asked a Christian friend about the state of Isreal and the Bible, and he said that the existance of this state is required to fulfill the Bible. In other words, the existance of the sate of Isreal, and what follows from wars and violence is to match the Christian theology about the second return of Jesus.

Do you have a different opinion?

Originally posted by ahosyney
I asked a Christian friend about the state of Isreal and the Bible, and he said that the existance of this state is required to fulfill the Bible. In other words, the existance of the sate of Isreal, and what follows from wars and violence is to match the Christian theology about the second return of Jesus.

Do you have a different opinion?

About the same.
Those prophecies are in the minor prophets. Isaiah onward.

Originally posted by Rajk999
About the same.
Those prophecies are in the minor prophets. Isaiah onward.

So will you support the state of Isreal even if it is using violence aganist Muslims (or even Christians in some cases)?. Note of course that Jews don't believe in the NT and all what they have are the punishments inspired by GOD in the OT.

Originally posted by Rajk999
No .. why? You think I need to go there to understand muslims.
I never been to India but I have a friends who visited and they came back saying that India a very developed and prosperous country. I know thats BS. Whats the big deal about actually going to a country.

First of all, given your very limited knowledge of the Arab world and the Muslim world, you very much need to understand Muslims and go to the Middle East. Egypt is relatively stable right now, and the fares are reasonable if you don't live in the US. British Airways goes direct to Cairo.

Second of all, India isn't Muslim, it's Hindu. Learn your history. That statement demonstrated the ignorance of the region. Following the British partition of India, Pakistan became a Muslim nation and India a Hindu one. That's what Gandhi was fighting against.

Third of all, you've never been to India, so who are you to comment?

Originally posted by Rajk999
About the same.
Those prophecies are in the minor prophets. Isaiah onward.

But Israel is fascist and not a religious state.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You might be absolutely right.

Maybe they should stop interefering with the West and Israel and then they can sit and wait for their Enlightment Age to arrive.

But somehow I doubt it. The Koran is very unyielding. Christ paved the way for Christians to break free of old rules and laws that no longer apply. Without some very strong Imams that Age of Enlightment for islam is unlikely.

Islam is, I repeat, less conservative than Christianity. Islam was testing the world's boundaries, experimenting, making new advances, setting up an empire, advancing themselves, etc. while the Christians were still burning those who denied any part of the teachings of the Church at the stake.

Originally posted by scherzo
But Israel is fascist and not a religious state.

What does that have to do with the prophecies?