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Originally posted by @eladar
Simple yes, no question two parts....

Did God say he would harden Pharaoh's heart?

Did God harden Pharaoh's heart?
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Originally posted by @kellyjay
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Is there anything in chapter 7 to support Pharaoh hardening his own heart?

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Originally posted by @eladar
Is there anything in chapter 7 to support Pharaoh hardening his own heart?
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Originally posted by @kellyjay
Yes
Quote it.

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Originally posted by @eladar
Quote it.
When I get home, in the mean time, what does hardening one's heart mean?

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
When I get home, in the mean time, what does hardening one's heart mean?
Why wait until you get home? I quoted chapter 7.

As for what does hardening a heart mean, it means disregarding God's instruction.

Does God have the sovereign choice? Or do we have the sovereign choice?

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Originally posted by @eladar
Simple yes, no question two parts....

Did God say he would harden Pharaoh's heart?

Did God harden Pharaoh's heart?
Simple yes or no question.

Did Pharoah have free will?

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Originally posted by @eladar
Why wait until you get home? I quoted chapter 7.

As for what does hardening a heart mean, it means disregarding God's instruction.

Does God have the sovereign choice? Or do we have the sovereign choice?
The sovereign choice to do what?

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
Simple yes or no question.

Did Pharoah have free will?
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Originally posted by @dj2becker
The sovereign choice to do what?
Romans 9

19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

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Originally posted by @eladar
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No one is denying that God further hardened Pharoahs heart. God knew that he would harden his own heart so God hardened it further. Would you agree that someone who chooses to disobey God hardens their heart? Did Pharoah choose to disobey God? Or did God make the choice for him?

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Originally posted by @eladar
Why wait until you get home? I quoted chapter 7.

As for what does hardening a heart mean, it means disregarding God's instruction.

Does God have the sovereign choice? Or do we have the sovereign choice?
It is easier to do that on a computer for me than a phone.

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Originally posted by @eladar
Romans 9

19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
Are you of the opinion no one has a real choice in life?

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Originally posted by @eladar
Romans 9

19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
Hebrews 3:15

As has just been said: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion."

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Originally posted by @eladar
Why wait until you get home? I quoted chapter 7.

As for what does hardening a heart mean, it means disregarding God's instruction.

Does God have the sovereign choice? Or do we have the sovereign choice?
God is sovereign, and He is quite capable of giving us choices, and holding us accountable for them. You think He is unable to do that?

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