Journey Inside The Cell

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Shall i direct you towards drosophila (fruit fly experiments), where literally tens of thousands of attempts were made to establish a new species through mutation, result, in each and every instance the mutated fly was inferior to the parent. No new species!

Yes, please. Direct me (as long as these are peer-reviewed publications). What do you mean by "inferior"?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
My dear Noobster, you know as well as I do, they also accept situation ethics (lying), abortion (murder of innocents), war (mass murder of innocents) and a whole host of other infidelities.

Nevertheless your portrayal of them as materialists with an abhorrence of religion is inaccurate to say the least. It seems that you too accept situation ethics (lying), you just like to dress it up as 'artistic license'.

Indeed, i challenge you or anyone else to show why a Christian should accept it.
Because it is the truth.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
sorry, but the transition was soooo not happening you had to invent a theory to counterbalance the anomalies, its termed punctuated equilibrium, and indeed we find this type of reasoning throughout the hypothesis. Its pure metaphysics, nothing more. Shall i direct you towards drosophila (fruit fly experiments), where literally tens of thousands of ...[text shortened]... ed in to another futile debate about the incongruities of your metaphysical theory, think again!

Well, I am gratified at least to find that you make no attempt to claim an open mind on the subject. You are, of course, correct in regarding these debates as futile if you are not prepared to consider views contrary to your own.

Originally posted by Palynka
Yes, please. Direct me (as long as these are peer-reviewed publications). What do you mean by "inferior"?

“The clear-cut mutants of Drosophila, with which so much of the classical research in genetics was done, are almost without exception inferior to wild-type flies in viability, fertility, longevity.” - Dobzhansky

Quoted in Heredity and the Nature of Man, p. 126.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Nevertheless your portrayal of them as materialists with an abhorrence of religion is inaccurate to say the least. It seems that you too accept situation ethics (lying), you just like to dress it up as 'artistic license'.

[b]Indeed, i challenge you or anyone else to show why a Christian should accept it.
Because it is the truth.[/b]

sorry biggest fail ever,, simply because you state its the truth does not actually mean that it is. You really need to learn that your opinions are not truth, all they are are your opinions, and in this instance, unsubstantiated, as usual.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Well, I am gratified at least to find that you make no attempt to claim an open mind on the subject. You are, of course, correct in regarding these debates as futile if you are not prepared to consider views contrary to your own.

No problem, we aim to please. creationism v evolution has been flogged to death on these forums, if you want to believe it , that's fine, never the less, why restrict your search of truth to unintelligent agencies?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No problem, we aim to please. creationism v evolution has been flogged to death on these forums, if you want to believe it , thats fine.

Although with each day that passes new evidence arises to support evolution. Is new scripture also being produced?

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Although with each day that passes new evidence arises to support evolution. Is new scripture also being produced?

muhaha, thats brilliant, really, i like its ingenuity and optimism.

Noobster is waiting for the discovery of the gay gene, which, despite the fact that the gnome has been mapped, has failed to materialise. Shame that. Actually I think we are seeing a kind of resurgence in spirituality. People have come to realise the emptiness of materialism, dont you think?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
sorry biggest fail ever,, simply because you state its the truth does not actually mean that it is. You really need to learn that your opinions are not truth, all they are are your opinions, and in this instance, unsubstantiated, as usual.

You asked for a reason, I gave you one. Whether you accept that it is the truth is another matter. You have already stated that you cannot believe it to be the truth regardless of whether it actually is because it conflicts with your religion, so no amount of substantiation would persuade you.

Originally posted by twhitehead
You asked for a reason, I gave you one. Whether you accept that it is the truth is another matter. You have already stated that you cannot believe it to be the truth regardless of whether it actually is because it conflicts with your religion, so no amount of substantiation would persuade you.

I asked for substantiation, perhaps this fact has escaped you, whether it convinces me or not, is not the point, i just want to read what it is! So make with the reddies, why should a Christian accept evolution? Saying that its the truth is not a reason, its an opinion and unsubstantiated at that. In fact Jesus says that God created humans without precedent, evolution states that they gradually evolved from other species, both cannot be true.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I asked for substantiation, perhaps this fact has escaped you, whether it convinces me or not, is not the point, i just want to read what it is! So make with the reddies, why should a Christian accept evolution? Saying that its the truth is not a reason, its an opinion and unsubstantiated at that. In fact Jesus says that God created humans without ...[text shortened]... precedent, evolution states that they gradually evolved from other species, both cannot be true.

In fact Jesus says that God created humans without precedent, evolution states that they gradually evolved from other species, both cannot be true.

Jesus and your Bible are wrong. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

why should a Christian accept evolution?

Because it's the reason for why we see the diversification of life on this planet.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
“The clear-cut mutants of Drosophila, with which so much of the classical research in genetics was done, are almost without exception inferior to wild-type flies in viability, fertility, longevity.” - Dobzhansky

Quoted in Heredity and the Nature of Man, p. 126.

I asked for peer-reviewed publications. Also Dobzhansky pretty much subscribes to evolutionary theory so it's particularly funny that you quote him.

Which type of environment were those particular flies allowed to mutate? In a standard laboratory environment there's a lot less selection than in the wild so if that's the case then it's unsurprising that the ones in the wild are healthier.

Originally posted by Palynka
I asked for peer-reviewed publications. Dobzhansky pretty much subscribes to evolutionary theory so it's particularly funny that you quote him.

Which type of environment were those particular flies allowed to mutate? In a standard laboratory environment there's a lot less selection than in the wild so if that's the case then it's unsurprising that the ones in the wild are healthier.

It was Dobzhansky who stated -

'Nothing makes sense in biology except in the light of evolution'

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]In fact Jesus says that God created humans without precedent, evolution states that they gradually evolved from other species, both cannot be true.

Jesus and your Bible are wrong. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

why should a Christian accept evolution?

Because it's the reason for why we see the diversification of life on this planet.[/b]

Lol, so a Christian who disowns the teaching of the Christ and supplants it with something else is a what. . . . an apostate! and not a Christian at all.

Your second point is not a spiritual reason in any shape or form. Why dont you admit it ol thing, there is no spiritual basis as to why a Christian should accept the teaching. I mean, it makes no difference to you either way, come let us condemn them! They are worse than materialists, well almost!

Originally posted by Palynka
I asked for peer-reviewed publications. Also Dobzhansky pretty much subscribes to evolutionary theory so it's particularly funny that you quote him.

Which type of environment were those particular flies allowed to mutate? In a standard laboratory environment there's a lot less selection than in the wild so if that's the case then it's unsurprising that the ones in the wild are healthier.

yes, of course, i quote him, would you accept some creationist site, i think not. As to the actual details of the experiment, i am not entirely sure, although the experiments were carried on for decades. No New Species!