11 Mar 08
Originally posted by FMFHe didn't do what he 'had' to do; he did what he wanted to do. It is his desires and intents that are reviled, even if he had fooled himself into thinking he was doing the right thing.
So you think that bad things don't happen to good people?
[b]Judas' kiss was sweet, his gold was fair and square.
Judas loved Jesus. And he did what he had to do. Why isn't he celebrated?[/b]
12 Mar 08
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHReviled? Are you implying that had Judas not fooled himself into thinking he was doing the right thing, Jesus would lived out his life and died a natural death?
He didn't do what he 'had' to do; he did what he wanted to do. It is his desires and intents that are reviled, even if he had fooled himself into thinking he was doing the right thing.
12 Mar 08
Originally posted by FMFJesus' betrayal was known prior to creation of man or angels, just as the failure of the man and the woman (or, prior to their failure, Lucifer and a third of the angels) was known in eternity past--- long before even a hint or nuance of failure entered the picture.
Reviled? Are you implying that had Judas not fooled himself into thinking he was doing the right thing, Jesus would lived out his life and died a natural death?
God is not surprised by tomorrow's events, nor is He taken aback by the inner machinations of man's myriad intentions. He sees them fully and works His plan accordingly.
13 Mar 08
Originally posted by FreakyKBH"Jesus' betrayal was known prior to creation of man or angels"
Jesus' betrayal was known prior to creation of man or angels, just as the failure of the man and the woman (or, prior to their failure, Lucifer and a third of the angels) was known in eternity past--- long before even a hint or nuance of failure entered the picture.
God is not surprised by tomorrow's events, nor is He taken aback by the inner machinations of man's myriad intentions. He sees them fully and works His plan accordingly.
Oh, my god... And this man is christianity built upon?
13 Mar 08
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI find your response intriguing. Could it be that you are subconsciously trying to prevent further communication between us by using obscurantist language and by making assertions about unverifiable speculations that you have internalized and that I've chosen not to? And I am not questioning your sincerity by the way.
Jesus' betrayal was known prior to creation of man or angels, just as the failure of the man and the woman (or, prior to their failure, Lucifer and a third of the angels) was known in eternity past--- long before even a hint or nuance of failure entered the picture. God is not surprised by tomorrow's events, nor is He taken aback by the inner machinations of man's myriad intentions. He sees them fully and works His plan accordingly.
13 Mar 08
Originally posted by FMFIf the meaning is obscured, it is only as a result of your rejection of truth. There is nothing esoteric in what I have posted; you simply have refused to accept the truth of God's word... to your own demise.
I find your response intriguing. Could it be that you are subconsciously trying to prevent further communication between us by using obscurantist language and by making assertions about unverifiable speculations that you have internalized and that I've chosen not to? And I am not questioning your sincerity by the way.
13 Mar 08
Originally posted by FreakyKBHMy demise?
If the meaning is obscured, it is only as a result of your rejection of truth. There is nothing esoteric in what I have posted; you simply have refused to accept the truth of God's word... to your own demise.
Neither you nor I know what God's word is. The only things I have refused to accept the truth of are your assertions and the way that you claim to speak on God's behalf - and you do so with stiff and metaphor-strewn language presumably because that's how you memorized it and for you it gives it an authentic ring. Furthermore, you seem to be claiming that I will not go to heaven if I refuse to agree with you. That's real rough and tumble stuff.
14 Mar 08
Originally posted by FMFGod speaks for Himself, and you can find His Word contained in the Bible. And since you have admitted it yourself that you don't know what God's Word is, anything you say about it is meaningless.
My demise?
Neither you nor I [b]know what God's word is. The only things I have refused to accept the truth of are your assertions and the way that you claim to speak on God's behalf - and you do so with stiff and metaphor-strewn language presumably because that's how you memorized it and for you it gives it an authentic ring. Furthermore, y ...[text shortened]... t I will not go to heaven if I refuse to agree with you. That's real rough and tumble stuff.[/b]
14 Mar 08
Originally posted by josephwIt is no more or less meaningful than anything you say. Assertions are assertions. If you say you know what God's word is, and that your certainty automatically trumps everybody else's, then I have to conclude that you do not understand the nature of faith. This, and your lack of humility, makes me wonder if this is all a psychological issue rather than a spiritual one.
God speaks for Himself, and you can find His Word contained in the Bible. And since you have admitted it yourself that you don't know what God's Word is, anything you say about it is meaningless.
14 Mar 08
Originally posted by FMFI may not be back here untill tomorrow, so I'll look back in here then.
It is no more or less meaningful than anything you say. Assertions are assertions. If you say you [b]know what God's word is, and that your certainty automatically trumps everybody else's, then I have to conclude that you do not understand the nature of faith. This, and your lack of humility, makes me wonder if this is all a psychological issue rather than a spiritual one.[/b]
My question to you is this. Has God spoken? Or not?